To Bob and all,

Recent revelations are not only US impacting. There have been articles that claim UK had determined that data gathered in US systems (even EU data) is not subject to EU regulation. Others dispute the claim of such a notion (or instance). 

The reality is unclear. But it is evident that data systems cross over borders and impacts of such are still unclear and must be researched. 

Rmember this started as an IoT thread and not a thread specifically about Prism. In any case, the privacy and tracking concerns only multiply as more and more data is collected, networked and provides correlation. 

It's not only the data, but the network effect, correlation, access control, and policy/enforcement around all. 

Finally a reminder that Kantara mission is around identity open standards and marketing of proprietary solutions (non-standard based) are not appropriate for this environment. Thank you to all for careful consideration regarding this reminder. 

Pardon the brevity from the airport. 

Best regards,
Joni

On Thursday, June 13, 2013, Owen Thomas wrote:
Hello Bob.

On 13 June 2013 09:22, Bob Pinheiro <kantara@bobpinheiro.com> wrote:
Here in the US, we've recently become aware that the government (that is, the National Security Agency) is collecting metadata on every phone call made in the US.

It's been a feature of the news here in Australia. I like the term metadata. It's magic stuff that promises to excuse a regulator's access to data otherwise considered an invasion of privacy.s
 
It's unclear the extent to which the NSA is also collecting information about other forms of electronic communications such as emails, tweets, text messages, web browsing habits, etc..

Many people seem to be OK with this if it can help the government detect possible terrorist activities.  Others are calling for more transparency and less secrecy with respect to government policies for conducting electronic surveillance of its citizens (and others).

Now we have the Internet of Things, which proposes that all of our everyday devices should be connected to the Internet.   It's not hard to imagine that the possibilities for additional surveillance are increased when all our devices are networked and talking to each other.

Before I'm going to allow my bathroom scale to talk to my refrigerator, I want to know whether the government might be listening in.  If the government can override my personal privacy preferences in the name of safety or national security, I'd like to know about it.  If we're going to have an Internet of Things, I'd call for the same transparency with respect to government surveillance policies that may exist for interconnected consumer devices that I believe should exist for other kinds of electronic surveillance of citizens that the government may feel is necessary.

I would be perhaps a bit more concerned than I currently am (I am a bit) about what Clique Space would provide in terms of monitoring and regulation if my idea gave this power merely to the "regulators". Although my concept could shroud collaborative exchange under a blanket of inescapability because everyone's watching everyone else, this accountability is being applied openly. This is somewhat different to the way counter terrorism and surveillance measures are currently carried out, but indeed, individual accountability may, through aligning the interests of the individual to becoming accountable to their own actions in cyberspace, provide a mechanism through which surveillance can become more transparent and... perhaps... more ubiquitous than it may be now.

Your government may be listening to your bathroom scales, but Clique Space will be honest about telling you when this is happening. :)

  Owen.

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