You highlight the different attitudes to Personal Information Management
and Privacy between Europe and the US. Of course government have to have
and hold information about citizens in order to govern but they also
have a duty to protect and keep up-to-date such records. The UK
government have failed to do this with horrendous and repeated instances
of multiple, unsynchronised data silos with life changing errors, 'lost
and stolen' databases and, worse, sharing and selling personal
information to private organisations.
A key role for government departments would be in Verification of
individuals and Certification of data and assertions.
Graham Sadd
Chairman & CEO
Trusted Relationship Management
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From: Charles Andres [mailto:andres.charles@gmail.com]
Sent: 12 January 2011 16:29
To: Graham Sadd
Cc: Frank Wray; trutkowski@netmagic.com; Drummond Reed; Mary Ruddy;
Walsh, Alan J; Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net;
community@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [community] an interesting question
At the risk of oversimplifying, the overarching goal is to make it
possible for legally-binding transactions to take place between parties
via a user-driven digital claims verification system. Getting
governments (whose primary purpose is to regulate and determine what is
legal) to agree and perhaps participate in such a system would be a
tremendous leap forward -- similar to adopting/enforcing common traffic
rules that enabled individuals (and companies) to own and operate motor
vehicles. Within the U.S., NSTIC is the best proposal so far.
However, John Poindexter, the NSA, the CIA, the Patriot Act, RealID,
etc. (to name a few) have "poisoned the well" of trust with previous
attempts to build centralized digital information systems to allow the
government to know more about citizens than citizens know about the
government.
The obstacles are huge. We not only have to convince legislators to act
without giving in to 'special interests', but also convince a
rightfully skeptical citizenry that NSTIC actually might make things
better.
We can't afford to screw this up, and we can't afford to wait and let
nature take its course. IMHO, despotism is likely from either of these
alternatives.
"Perhaps (these) sentiments are not yet sufficiently fashionable to
procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG,
gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT...But the tumult soon
subsides. Time makes more converts than reason." - Common Sense, Thomas
Paine.
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Graham Sadd
wrote:
I have been following this thread from the other side of the pond.
An interesting and ongoing debate but I maintain that 'I' am the ONLY
entity who owns my identity and it changes and morphs as I grow and
continually add experiences.
Now, I can keep this completely private as long as my ambition is to sit
on a mountain top and hummm! If I want to engage with a community or
society of any kind then I need to share or exchange it.
All I want is to be able to chose what bits, at what time, for what
reason and with whom I share it - the same things that I do with my
cash. And, like my money, I want a record of these events.
What I don't want is any organisation, public or private, passing it on
without my knowledge or consent.
If government-centric then it will be designed and used for their
benefit.
If individual -centric the it can be 'under my control, with my consent,
for my benefit'.
See http://blog.grahamsadd.com/
Regards
Graham
Graham Sadd
Chairman & CEO
Trusted Relationship Management
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From: community-request@lists.idcommons.net [mailto:
community-request@lists.idcommons.net] On Behalf Of Frank Wray
Sent: 12 January 2011 14:18
To: trutkowski@netmagic.com; Drummond Reed
Cc: Mary Ruddy; Walsh, Alan J; Rob Marano;
community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [community] an interesting question
I am not sure if I agree completely... Americans have a history of not
trusting government, and as a matter of fact, America was born on the
notion of the lack of trust in government. The media uses that to sell
their product.
But, Identity should not be treated as a government issue, nation issue,
but a user-centric issue in an Internet connected world (global). Each
user is the owner of their identity and each user should have the
ability to provide the information that they want to provide when they
engage in an Internet transaction (sharing information included) and
maintain the anonymity when desired.
NSTIC was misrepresented by the mainstream media, but the root of the
issue is the name. We cannot have a Nation-centric identity eco-system
in a global Internet. One of the beauties of the Internet is the lack
of borders. A global initiative where governments, the private sector
and user communities as interested parties build the trust framework and
use some or one of the current trust framework initiatives out there.
And I am not suggesting that NSTIC is necessarily nation-centric, but
the name leads to that believe.
I also believe that the misrepresentation of the media is actually a
good thing. This will not necessarily "kill" the initiative it will
improve it and maybe even "globalize it" as I have suggested.
So, let's keep the conversation going... :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Rutkowski
Sent: 01/12/11 08:43 AM
To: Drummond Reed
Subject: [community] an interesting question
The treatment of personal IdM in the U.S. is
shaped in substantial measure by a messaging
by the media and lobbying community that conveys
a hostility to government - some of it extreme -
where the government is always painted in
negative terms. It is a perspective almost
unknown elsewhere in the world. That
perspective is reflected in some of the
NSTIC dialogue last week. Has the calculus
changed by recent events? --amr
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