W3C Social Web Incubator Group Final Report
All - If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference. NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text. - Trent -- J. Trent Adams =jtrentadams Profile: http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/ LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams Twitter: http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
Trent, This summer I've been involved in contributing some things to this report. WRT your point about trust frameworks, there is little knowledge about them within the group that produced the report, and it seemed to me that there was more than enough work to do even staying closer to the tech side of things. But overall, I think this is a fine piece of work. Also, I think it is worth noting that this report is part of a broader exploration by the "new management" of the W3C into what areas of the identity, social web, active client, and personal data space the W3C might be able to support and to which it would truly add value. They are concerned, and rightly so, that without a good strategy (esp. for collaboration with others) just wading into the already splintered space might make the situation worse. BTW, the W3C has already reached out to the FSW (federated social web) effort and offered support. On Oct 13, 2010, at 11:50 AM, J. Trent Adams wrote:
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
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BTW, the W3C has already reached out to the FSW (federated social web) effort and offered support.
The FSW effort is the material at http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/Federated_Social_Web_Summit_2010 etc? Or is there more to it? - RL "Bob"
yup, that's the group. Here's the list: http://groups.google.com/group/federated-social-web On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:34 PM, RL 'Bob' Morgan wrote:
BTW, the W3C has already reached out to the FSW (federated social web) effort and offered support.
The FSW effort is the material at
http://federatedsocialweb.net/wiki/Federated_Social_Web_Summit_2010
etc? Or is there more to it?
- RL "Bob"
It is kind of strange that they do not touch on SAML at all also. Perhaps should we ping them on it? =nat (2010/10/14 0:50), J. Trent Adams wrote:
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
-- Nat Sakimura (n-sakimura@nri.co.jp) Nomura Research Institute, Ltd. Tel:+81-3-6274-1412 Fax:+81-3-6274-1547 本メールに含まれる情報は機密情報であり、宛先に記載されている方のみに送信することを意図しております。意図された受取人以外の方によるこれらの情報の開示、複製、再配布や転送など一切の利用が禁止されています。誤って本メールを受信された場合は、申し訳ございませんが、送信者までお知らせいただき、受信されたメールを削除していただきますようお願い致します。 PLEASE READ: The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete your copy from your system.
Nat - You bring up a good point... while I can see why the group, being focused on the "social web", might not see SAML as being a major player, perhaps it'd make sense to suggestion a paragraph for inclusion somewhere. Perhaps you or (or someone else on the list) could suggest some reasponable input. It'd need to come in by this Friday, though, as I believe they expect to ratify this report on their next call. - Trent Nat Sakimura wrote:
It is kind of strange that they do not touch on SAML at all also.
Perhaps should we ping them on it?
=nat
(2010/10/14 0:50), J. Trent Adams wrote:
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
-- J. Trent Adams =jtrentadams Profile: http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/ LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams Twitter: http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
I have sent my personal comment to the editor. =nat @ Tokyo via iPhone On 2010/10/15, at 0:21, "J. Trent Adams" <jtrentadams@gmail.com> wrote:
Nat -
You bring up a good point... while I can see why the group, being focused on the "social web", might not see SAML as being a major player, perhaps it'd make sense to suggestion a paragraph for inclusion somewhere.
Perhaps you or (or someone else on the list) could suggest some reasponable input. It'd need to come in by this Friday, though, as I believe they expect to ratify this report on their next call.
- Trent
Nat Sakimura wrote:
It is kind of strange that they do not touch on SAML at all also.
Perhaps should we ping them on it?
=nat
(2010/10/14 0:50), J. Trent Adams wrote:
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
-- J. Trent Adams =jtrentadams
Profile: http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/ LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams Twitter: http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
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Hi Nat, Trent, Just an observation. In my experience meeting folks from the non-SAML (non-Oasis) world, they typically do not associate SAML with Identity. Not sure why, perhaps they see SAML as just a syntax (like ASN.1). Also few realize that there is a slew of building blocks in saml-core and in the saml-profiles. cheers, /thomas/
-----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community- bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Nat Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:37 PM To: J. Trent Adams Cc: community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] W3C Social Web Incubator Group Final Report
I have sent my personal comment to the editor.
=nat @ Tokyo via iPhone
On 2010/10/15, at 0:21, "J. Trent Adams" <jtrentadams@gmail.com> wrote:
Nat -
You bring up a good point... while I can see why the group, being focused on the "social web", might not see SAML as being a major player, perhaps it'd make sense to suggestion a paragraph for
inclusion somewhere.
Perhaps you or (or someone else on the list) could suggest some reasponable input. It'd need to come in by this Friday, though,
as I
believe they expect to ratify this report on their next call.
- Trent
Nat Sakimura wrote:
It is kind of strange that they do not touch on SAML at all also.
Perhaps should we ping them on it?
=nat
(2010/10/14 0:50), J. Trent Adams wrote:
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision,
but
it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
-- J. Trent Adams =jtrentadams
Profile: http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/ LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams Twitter: http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
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as enterprises contemplate accepting Consumer identities through OAuth/OpenID/OpenID Connect from the 'social IdPs', and then subsequently mapping into their SAML infrastructure - the line as to where the social bit ends gets blurry paul On 10/15/10 2:57 PM, Thomas Hardjono wrote:
Hi Nat, Trent,
Just an observation. In my experience meeting folks from the non-SAML (non-Oasis) world, they typically do not associate SAML with Identity. Not sure why, perhaps they see SAML as just a syntax (like ASN.1). Also few realize that there is a slew of building blocks in saml-core and in the saml-profiles.
cheers,
/thomas/
-----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community- bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Nat Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:37 PM To: J. Trent Adams Cc: community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] W3C Social Web Incubator Group Final Report
I have sent my personal comment to the editor.
=nat @ Tokyo via iPhone
On 2010/10/15, at 0:21, "J. Trent Adams"<jtrentadams@gmail.com> wrote:
Nat -
You bring up a good point... while I can see why the group, being focused on the "social web", might not see SAML as being a major player, perhaps it'd make sense to suggestion a paragraph for inclusion somewhere. Perhaps you or (or someone else on the list) could suggest some reasponable input. It'd need to come in by this Friday, though, as I believe they expect to ratify this report on their next call.
- Trent
Nat Sakimura wrote:
It is kind of strange that they do not touch on SAML at all also. Perhaps should we ping them on it?
=nat
(2010/10/14 0:50), J. Trent Adams wrote:
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the header indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
-- J. Trent Adams =jtrentadams
Profile: http://www.mediaslate.org/jtrentadams/ LinkedIN: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtrentadams Twitter: http://twitter.com/jtrentadams
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Hi all, In W3C, is (isn't) an "incubator" group a precursor to a working group? If so, are they planning a new WG? Thanks. /thomas/ ____________________________
-----Original Message----- From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community- bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Nat Sakimura Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:37 PM To: community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] W3C Social Web Incubator Group Final Report
It is kind of strange that they do not touch on SAML at all also.
Perhaps should we ping them on it?
=nat
All -
If you haven't already seen it, the W3C Social Web Incubator Group recently published it's final report:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport
Of specific interest to this group is their summary of work taking place around Identity:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/FinalReport#Identity
I'm not sure if it's an oversight or was a conscious decision, but it's interesting that there only mention of "trust frameworks" is in a passing reference.
NOTE: I'm not entirely sure of the status of this report... the
(2010/10/14 0:50), J. Trent Adams wrote: header
indicates it's complete, but there appear to be some remaining questions embedded in the text.
- Trent
-- Nat Sakimura (n-sakimura@nri.co.jp) Nomura Research Institute, Ltd. Tel:+81-3-6274-1412 Fax:+81-3-6274-1547
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