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Notes from BSC telecon Thursday, April 27
by Eve Maler 29 Apr '17

29 Apr '17

http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/BSC/2017-04+%28April+2017%2… Agenda: - Report <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOVJ3lKqOIjwCqPt5jFxfLr7wEoJ0ZVNbMGsdsW…> work Attending: Eve, Matisse, Marco, Thomas, Susan, Jeff, Maryann, Kathleen, JohnW The candidate recommendations are, so far, not captured in the report – . Let's confirm today which ones we "believe in", and add any others, and then put them in the report. Kathleen notes that ONC is beginning work on a trust framework/contract. Hopefully Our WG recommendation: How about: Spin up a WG to develop on blockchains and smart contract good practice on use and handling of data related to individuals so as to facilitate individual autonomy [and enable equitable and efficient participation in transaction ecosystems?]. John talks about knowledge, choice, and control as the three axes of autonomy. Ecosystems typically constrain autonomy. Add to potential liaison relationships: ONC and HL7. The recommendation we want to make has a pretty sharp audience, set of outputs, set of activities, and set of directions for next steps. We've talked from time to time about the UMA Legal subgroup possibly spinning up as its own group. Maybe there's something to think about here – combining forces, or two separate WGs? Maybe a "Legal WG" with Kantara-wide scope would make sense; John repeats himself in Legal, CIS, a lot. It would need to be able to produce technical specs as well (that is, have the right IPR policy for that). Kickstarting the good practice work: We want to recommend to all the "legal capacity to contract" (parties/counterparties) people that they should be using identity standards and, as much as possible, standard claim catalogs so that they can get the benefit of standard flows and standard claim/attribute semantics. (Point to "Analysis of Integrating Legal Contracts and Smart Contracts" section.) Eve made up an editing task list for herself and Thomas. Keep an eye on report changes. *AI:* All: Please review the Report and comment in it or on the list! Keep in mind we're at the very end. *AI:* Eve: Ask for one more meeting next Thursday. It's the LAST ONE. *Eve Maler*ForgeRock Office of the CTO | VP Innovation & Emerging Technology Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Legal/technical smart contract WG -- RE: Notes from BSC telecon Thursday, April 27
by Thomas Hardjono 28 Apr '17

28 Apr '17

>>> Eve: >>> We've talked from time to time about the UMA Legal subgroup possibly >>> spinning up as its own group. Maybe there's something to think about >>> here – combining forces, or two separate WGs? Maybe a "Legal WG" with >>> Kantara-wide scope would make sense; John repeats himself in Legal, CIS, a lot. >>> It would need to be able to produce technical specs as well (that is, have >>> the right IPR policy for that). One thing that I'd like to see is a specification (actual spec, not best practices or guidelines) on a "smart-contract", something that has a hope of being accepted in the legal mindset/industry: (a) Technical: What is a technical definition of a smart contract: define the fields (syntax), allowable values and allowable interpretations (e.g. semantics). Digital signatures. (b) Legal: What information needs to be captured in a smart-contract, for example, to make it admissible in court. Some progress is being made (see bill HB2417 in Arizona and the one in Vermont by Oliver Goodfellow), but I believe more work needs to be done. For example, is the legal acceptance of HB2417 based on the digital signatures only or also on additional features. So, a new Kantara WG (a) with the right mix of legal/technical and (b) very well defined deliverables, would be groundbreaking. /thomas/ ________________________________________ From: dg-bsc-bounces(a)kantarainitiative.org [dg-bsc-bounces(a)kantarainitiative.org] on behalf of Colin Wallis [colin(a)kantarainitiative.org] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:11 PM To: Eve Maler Cc: dg-bsc(a)kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-BSC] Notes from BSC telecon Thursday, April 27 Folks Great work there. Thanks! The Report is shaping up well, but as Eve implies, it needs your best strategic thought bubbles being applied to those recommendations. If this helps at all, I am aware that the Leadership Council is seriously considering re-starting Kantara's P3 WG (Privacy and Public Policy). Who was around and remembers those ground-breaking, thought provoking calls on P3?:-). I bring this to your attention because if you do recommend a Legal WG, combining the efforts from UMA Legal and BSC, then there will be great cross-walk potential with P3. Thanks again, Colin Executive Director Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 Kantara Initiative Inc.<https://kantarainitiative.org/> [https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0B7y8c3lrgRtUUjRFMHFMQm1BR3M&export=download] On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Eve Maler <eve.maler(a)forgerock.com<mailto:eve.maler@forgerock.com>> wrote: http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/BSC/2017-04+%28April+2017%2… Agenda: * Report<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOVJ3lKqOIjwCqPt5jFxfLr7wEoJ0ZVNbMGsdsW…> work Attending: Eve, Matisse, Marco, Thomas, Susan, Jeff, Maryann, Kathleen, JohnW The candidate recommendations are, so far, not captured in the report – . Let's confirm today which ones we "believe in", and add any others, and then put them in the report. Kathleen notes that ONC is beginning work on a trust framework/contract. Hopefully Our WG recommendation: How about: Spin up a WG to develop on blockchains and smart contract good practice on use and handling of data related to individuals so as to facilitate individual autonomy [and enable equitable and efficient participation in transaction ecosystems?]. John talks about knowledge, choice, and control as the three axes of autonomy. Ecosystems typically constrain autonomy. Add to potential liaison relationships: ONC and HL7. The recommendation we want to make has a pretty sharp audience, set of outputs, set of activities, and set of directions for next steps. We've talked from time to time about the UMA Legal subgroup possibly spinning up as its own group. Maybe there's something to think about here – combining forces, or two separate WGs? Maybe a "Legal WG" with Kantara-wide scope would make sense; John repeats himself in Legal, CIS, a lot. It would need to be able to produce technical specs as well (that is, have the right IPR policy for that). Kickstarting the good practice work: We want to recommend to all the "legal capacity to contract" (parties/counterparties) people that they should be using identity standards and, as much as possible, standard claim catalogs so that they can get the benefit of standard flows and standard claim/attribute semantics. (Point to "Analysis of Integrating Legal Contracts and Smart Contracts" section.) Eve made up an editing task list for herself and Thomas. Keep an eye on report changes. AI: All: Please review the Report and comment in it or on the list! Keep in mind we're at the very end. AI: Eve: Ask for one more meeting next Thursday. It's the LAST ONE. Eve Maler ForgeRock Office of the CTO | VP Innovation & Emerging Technology Cell +1 425.345.6756<tel:(425)%20345-6756> | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl _______________________________________________ DG-BSC mailing list DG-BSC(a)kantarainitiative.org<mailto:DG-BSC@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-bsc

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Collecting candidate recommendations -- RE: Notes from BSC telecon Thursday, April 13
by Thomas Hardjono 20 Apr '17

20 Apr '17

Folks, For our BSC telecon today, we are collecting candidate recommendations for future actions (see minutes from last week). So, please think about possible recommendations and we can discuss it today at the NSC call. Best. Thomas & Eve ________________________________________ From: dg-bsc-bounces(a)kantarainitiative.org [dg-bsc-bounces(a)kantarainitiative.org] on behalf of Eve Maler [eve.maler(a)forgerock.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:07 PM To: dg-bsc(a)kantarainitiative.org Subject: [DG-BSC] Notes from BSC telecon Thursday, April 13 http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/BSC/2017-04+%28April+2017%2… Agenda: * Report<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOVJ3lKqOIjwCqPt5jFxfLr7wEoJ0ZVNbMGsdsW…> work Attending: Eve, Matisse, Devon, Doug, Marco, Thomas, Susan At this point, people have had many chances to review most of the Report content; only a few pieces are new (though there are some holes yet to be filled). Most particularly, we need to decide on our Recommendations. Figure 1 highlights the need for a hashed data management system and an addressing management system, above and beyond native blockchain capabilities. Further, IAM infrastructure is separate. Thomas created this figure to point out the "stack" of needs. John W suggested adding the identities/entities on "either end". This is a key insight. Eve suggest that we all review the Report's observations, make candidate recommendations, and discuss and begin selecting them by next Thursday. We need to finish our work by the end of April. Matisse suggests that our recommendations should be about future research. Ethereum is under so many attacks that certain projects keep being pushing out. Susan notes that there is legislation starting up in 10 or more states. Should we develop guidance around legislation? Keep in mind Kantara's specific opportunities<http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Home> for recommendations. Kantara could develop a specific liaison relationship with this ISO committee<https://www.iso.org/committee/6266604.html>, for example. We agreed to meet next Thursday, and negotiate any further meetings at that time, with no meetings beyond May 1 in any case! Eve Maler ForgeRock Office of the CTO | VP Innovation & Emerging Technology Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Notes from BSC telecon Thursday, April 13
by Eve Maler 13 Apr '17

13 Apr '17

http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/BSC/2017-04+%28April+2017%2… Agenda: - Report <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOVJ3lKqOIjwCqPt5jFxfLr7wEoJ0ZVNbMGsdsW…> work Attending: Eve, Matisse, Devon, Doug, Marco, Thomas, Susan At this point, people have had many chances to review most of the Report content; only a few pieces are new (though there are some holes yet to be filled). Most particularly, we need to decide on our Recommendations. Figure 1 highlights the need for a hashed data management system and an addressing management system, above and beyond native blockchain capabilities. Further, IAM infrastructure is separate. Thomas created this figure to point out the "stack" of needs. John W suggested adding the identities/entities on "either end". This is a key insight. Eve suggest that we all review the Report's observations, make candidate recommendations, and discuss and begin selecting them by next Thursday. We need to finish our work by the end of April. Matisse suggests that our recommendations should be about future research. Ethereum is under so many attacks that certain projects keep being pushing out. Susan notes that there is legislation starting up in 10 or more states. Should we develop guidance around legislation? Keep in mind Kantara's specific opportunities <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Home> for recommendations. Kantara could develop a specific liaison relationship with this ISO committee <https://www.iso.org/committee/6266604.html>, for example. We agreed to meet *next Thursday*, and negotiate any further meetings at that time, with *no meetings beyond May 1* in any case! *Eve Maler*ForgeRock Office of the CTO | VP Innovation & Emerging Technology Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Long-awaited final review of our BSC DG Report
by Eve Maler 10 Apr '17

10 Apr '17

We have resurrected ONE meeting of our DG for *this Thursday*, to do a final review of our Report <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOVJ3lKqOIjwCqPt5jFxfLr7wEoJ0ZVNbMGsdsW…> (which we're still filling in as fast as we can, but which has seen significant progress over the last month). *Please plan to attend* on Thursday at the "usual" time, 11am PT/2pm ET/8pm CET (calendar is here <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/BSC/Calendar>). We will decide at that time whether we need to schedule another. Thanks to all those who have responded to namecheck comments inside the document. If you have been hanging onto a longstanding action item, now is the time to please complete it. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to let Thomas and me know. Thank you! *Eve Maler*ForgeRock Office of the CTO | VP Innovation & Emerging Technology Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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