Thomas and Eve,
I agree with (b). If we can contribute to that and provide a guide for some uniformity about enforceability, it would go a long way. I know there is a big group within the legal profession who believe our current laws already cover them. That has not stopped and will not stop legislatures from adopting new laws, so anything that can contribute to not having a patchwork of mismatched standards will help. 
Susan

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Thomas Hardjono <hardjono@mit.edu> wrote:


>>> Eve:
>>> We've talked from time to time about the UMA Legal subgroup possibly
>>> spinning up as its own group. Maybe there's something to think about
>>> here – combining forces, or two separate WGs? Maybe a "Legal WG" with
>>> Kantara-wide scope would make sense; John repeats himself in Legal, CIS, a lot.
>>> It would need to be able to produce technical specs as well (that is, have
>>> the right IPR policy for that).

One thing that I'd like to see is a specification (actual spec, not best practices or guidelines) on a "smart-contract", something that has a hope of being accepted in the legal mindset/industry:

(a) Technical: What is a technical definition of a smart contract: define the fields (syntax), allowable values and allowable interpretations (e.g. semantics). Digital signatures.

(b) Legal: What information needs to be captured in a smart-contract, for example, to make it admissible in court.

Some progress is being made (see bill HB2417 in Arizona and the one in Vermont by Oliver Goodfellow), but I believe more work needs to be done. For example, is the legal acceptance of HB2417 based on the digital signatures only or also on additional features.

So, a new Kantara WG (a) with the right mix of legal/technical and (b) very well defined deliverables, would be groundbreaking.


/thomas/





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Folks

Great work there. Thanks!

The Report is shaping up well, but as Eve implies, it needs your best strategic thought bubbles being applied to those recommendations.

If this helps at all, I am aware that the Leadership Council is seriously considering re-starting Kantara's P3 WG (Privacy and Public Policy).  Who was around and remembers those ground-breaking, thought provoking calls on P3?:-).

I bring this to your attention because if you do recommend a Legal WG, combining the efforts from UMA Legal and BSC, then there will be great cross-walk potential with P3.

Thanks again,

Colin


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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Eve Maler <eve.maler@forgerock.com<mailto:eve.maler@forgerock.com>> wrote:
http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/BSC/2017-04+%28April+2017%29+Meetings#id-2017-04(April2017)Meetings-Thursday,April27

Agenda:

  *   Report<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HOVJ3lKqOIjwCqPt5jFxfLr7wEoJ0ZVNbMGsdsWzCKQ/edit?usp=sharing> work

Attending: Eve, Matisse, Marco, Thomas, Susan, Jeff, Maryann, Kathleen, JohnW

The candidate recommendations are, so far, not captured in the report – . Let's confirm today which ones we "believe in", and add any others, and then put them in the report.

Kathleen notes that ONC is beginning work on a trust framework/contract. Hopefully

Our WG recommendation: How about: Spin up a WG to develop on blockchains and smart contract good practice on use and handling of data related to individuals so as to facilitate individual autonomy [and enable equitable and efficient participation in transaction ecosystems?].

John talks about knowledge, choice, and control as the three axes of autonomy. Ecosystems typically constrain autonomy.

Add to potential liaison relationships: ONC and HL7.

The recommendation we want to make has a pretty sharp audience, set of outputs, set of activities, and set of directions for next steps.

We've talked from time to time about the UMA Legal subgroup possibly spinning up as its own group. Maybe there's something to think about here – combining forces, or two separate WGs? Maybe a "Legal WG" with Kantara-wide scope would make sense; John repeats himself in Legal, CIS, a lot. It would need to be able to produce technical specs as well (that is, have the right IPR policy for that).

Kickstarting the good practice work: We want to recommend to all the "legal capacity to contract" (parties/counterparties) people that they should be using identity standards and, as much as possible, standard claim catalogs so that they can get the benefit of standard flows and standard claim/attribute semantics. (Point to "Analysis of Integrating Legal Contracts and Smart Contracts" section.)

Eve made up an editing task list for herself and Thomas. Keep an eye on report changes.

AI: All: Please review the Report and comment in it or on the list! Keep in mind we're at the very end.

AI: Eve: Ask for one more meeting next Thursday. It's the LAST ONE.


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