Yes. I was on the team at Evernym that provided the infrastructure. Happy to answer any questions. James. On 22 Nov 2023, at 17:23, heather vescent <puissant@heathervescent.com> wrote: Hi All, I got in touch with the people who did this. It is called Member Pass<https://www.memberpass.com/>. Moderately successful with 20 credit unions and many millions of members. More details on how it works<https://www.memberpass.com/about-memberpass/#:~:text=Recent%20advancements%20in%20blockchain%20technology,public%20key%20for%20the%20DID.>. Reading the info, looks like they may set up the account in a member branch, using a specific app based wallet to hold the credential, which can then be used in person or online (and I might think in the metaverse scenario too). Say what you will about decentralized identity, but this is working and has been in production for years. Cheers, -Heather On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 9:22 AM Sean Lanzner <seanlanzner@gmail.com<mailto:seanlanzner@gmail.com>> wrote: Bad in, bad out is certainly a useful way to frame it. As Pieter says, the challenge with the VCs is multifold; - is the ID legitimate? Tons of good fakes, especially in the US - is the person in the selfie being compared to the ID a real live individual? - how to continuously authenticate the owner of the VC held within a device or wallet is the same one who enrolled? On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:09 Pieter VanIperen <pieterwvaniperen@gmail.com<mailto:pieterwvaniperen@gmail.com>> wrote: This is not unlike other methods that have been designed. The problem here is at the initiation of linking the crypto assurance with the Identity. It's a garbage in garbage out problem. If the wallet is setup with a deep fake and a faked doc which matches each other, the assurance is now attached to the deep fake. So what assures the identity is authentic at initiation. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:01 heather vescent <puissant@heathervescent.com<mailto:puissant@heathervescent.com>> wrote: Jim, It's not so complicated. I know Darrell O'Donnell and some Canadian banks were doing something like this for call centers in the early SSI days (like 4+ years ago). Seems doable with a wallet that holds VCs and interfaces with existing communications methods. Imagine if Signal App added a VC wallet. It's not unlike verifying your identity on LinkedIn. 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