November 2013 - DG-IDoT - mailman.kantarainitiative.org

Re: [DG-IDoT] IDoT DG asks - Privacy and Public Policy WG
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

Hi Andre, Thank you for have a look at the problem. Best Ingo From: Andre Boysen [mailto:amboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Montag, 25. November 2013 20:04 To: Friese, Ingo Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] IDoT DG asks - Privacy and Public Policy WG The idea is right, but it will get lost in the details of the service the "owner" user signed up for. All of these devices are only useful as part of a service that provides summary and insight for what the device is doing. Invariably the data is the real goal of the device, not the device itself. Almost all of the IoT devices business models are constructed to sell you back the data from the device you have purchased. Nest, fitbit, your car, etc. Also built in to those agreements is a trade - you give up the data in a freemium trade for summary data back. Often there is an upsell to get more insightful information about your device - comparative to your own timeline or to other users of the service. In all cases, the value given to the user is very small compared to the value received by the service the user has agreed to join. This is due to the asymmetric nature of big data services - users have know idea what inferences can be drawn from the data or the monetary value to big data. On Nov 22, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Ingo.Friese(a)telekom.de<mailto:Ingo.Friese@telekom.de> wrote: Dear all, I'm Ingo Friese working with "Kantara Identity of things working group". In this area we got a privacy related question. I thought of asking you privacy experts for help, opinions or guidance. Here is the use-case: A thing (e.g. a car) produces data. Sometimes even privacy relevant data. (.e.g. a car could track where it was at what time). A first (logical) attempt would be: The owner of the thing (device, car) owns the data. But especially in automotive industry we have cases where manufacturer collect data and use them for statistics or additional services they offer to the user. They act as this data were their own. I know a manufacturer of Trucks and harvesters that sell data collected in sensors of the harvester to the farmer. This sounds to me at least a bit strange. Any thoughts? Many thanks in advance! Ingo _______________________________________________ DG-IDoT mailing list DG-IDoT(a)kantarainitiative.org<mailto:DG-IDoT@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idot

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IDoT tasks / strcutur
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

Hi, In our next conf-call I'd like to talk a bit about the structure of our work. In our charter we promised 3 deliverables: 1. Use-cases: The excel template is a good approach to me to classify the use-cases. I just try to fill in "Runaway dog use-case". I have the feeling that we identify important and pressing issues here. It would be good if you take your use case and fill out the template 2. Landscape document / state of the art: The IoT Landscape of IoT is really huge (GSC MSTF identified 143 standards dealing with IoT) I attached a mind-map as an first overview. Have a look and complete. That's an overview. We will have a closer look to dedicated topics (e.g. main standardization bodies one M2M, HGI, IETF etc.) 3. IEEE article I'd like to have a IDoT document that helps people to understand what is special with IdM in the IoT. Something like "Identity concepts in the IoT" We can start to collect first bullet points. E.g. we had the ownership discussion, Frank and I discussed about Object identifier mapping, names-spaces etc. This is something we can discuss in our next Telco on Tuesday. Best regards, Ingo

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Friendly reminder Doodle for "new scheduled Konf-Call"
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

Hi, I'd like to encourage you to fill out the doodle poll. I'd like to find a good time for our IDoT confcall. http://doodle.com/uts4iazfae7mz664 Best Ingo From: dg-idot-bounces(a)kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Friese, Ingo Sent: Montag, 18. November 2013 15:53 To: dg-idot(a)kantarainitiative.org Subject: [DG-IDoT] doodle poll for a new IDoT confcall time Hi all, This is the announced doodle poll. Please let me know when the best time for you is to take part for less than 1 hour call (every second week) If you just want to take part from time to time, put in your name and leave everything open. If you want to be in the call please fill in yes, maybe(yes) and no options. If you have any questions please let me know! http://doodle.com/uts4iazfae7mz664 Thank you! Best, Ingo

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internet of things business index
by Salvatore D'Agostino 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

http://www.economistinsights.com/analysis/internet-things-business-index#! Sal

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IDoT DG asks - Privacy and Public Policy WG
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Dear all, I'm Ingo Friese working with "Kantara Identity of things working group". In this area we got a privacy related question. I thought of asking you privacy experts for help, opinions or guidance. Here is the use-case: A thing (e.g. a car) produces data. Sometimes even privacy relevant data. (.e.g. a car could track where it was at what time). A first (logical) attempt would be: The owner of the thing (device, car) owns the data. But especially in automotive industry we have cases where manufacturer collect data and use them for statistics or additional services they offer to the user. They act as this data were their own. I know a manufacturer of Trucks and harvesters that sell data collected in sensors of the harvester to the farmer. This sounds to me at least a bit strange. Any thoughts? Many thanks in advance! Ingo

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Re: [DG-IDoT] IDoT telecon 2013-11-19
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Hi All, Our next IDoT-call is coming up today. Hope to hear you soon! Best, Ingo Date and Time * Tuesday, November 19, at 9am PT (time chart)<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=IDoT+Conf+Call&iso…> * Voice: Skype: +99051000000481 or US +1-805-309-2350 / Alternate Toll +1 (714) 551-9842 (international dial-in lines<http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/x/KYC_/>), room code 613-2898# * (Turbobridge call options<https://www.turbobridge.com/join.html>) Agenda * Roll call * Action item review * IDoT use-case collection * AOB Kind regards Ingo Friese Deutsche Telekom AG T-Labs (Research & Innovation) Dipl.-Ing. Ingo Friese Winterfeldtstr. 21, 10781 Berlin +4930835358148 (Phone) +49391580216849 (Fax) E-Mail: ingo.friese(a)telekom.de<mailto:ingo.friese@telekom.de> www.telekom.com<http://www.telekom.com/> Life is for sharing. DEUTSCHE TELEKOM AG Supervisory Board: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Chairman) Board of Management: René Obermann (Chairman), Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus Höttges, Dr. Thomas Kremer, Claudia Nemat, Prof. Dr. Marion Schick Commercial register: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Registered office: Bonn Big changes start small - conserve resources by not printing every e-mail. _______________________________________________ DG-IDoT mailing list DG-IDoT(a)kantarainitiative.org<mailto:DG-IDoT@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idot

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FW: IEEE Approves Standard Designed to Support Low-Frequency, Narrowband Power-Line Communications and Smart-Grid Applications
by Colin Wallis 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

Of possible interest to this group.. Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:08:30 +0000 From: group-digests(a)linkedin.com To: colin_wallis(a)hotmail.com Subject: IEEE Approves Standard Designed to Support Low-Frequency, Narrowband Power-Line Communications and Smart-Grid Applications IEEE-SA Official IEEE Standards Association Group November 21, 2013 New Discussions (1) IEEE Approves Standard Designed to Support Low-Frequency, Narrowband Power-Line Communications and Smart-Grid Applications Started by Martha Tejada, Web Specialist at IEEE Standards Association Like · Flag Stop inappropriate content the moment it is posted. Send me an email for each new discussion » Do you know anybody that might like this group? Invite others to join » You are receiving Group Digest emails. Unsubscribe. This email was intended for Colin Wallis (Authentication Standards Manager, New Zealand Government (Dept of Internal Affairs)). Learn why we included this. © 2013, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, USA

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out IDoT topics
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Hi All, I'm back from vacation and business trips. One week ago I promoted our group at IEEE IoT workshop. Find attached my slide set. I'd like to draw your attention to slide 4. This is my attempt to cluster and to prioritize different IdM Topics (identifier, mapping, discovery, authentication, authorization, privacy...). I saw a youtube video by Scott Jenson (@Paul thanks for sending the link to the list). Scott sees three layers of complexity in the IoT. - First one is about simple sensors/actuators e.g. measuring the temperature at "central square" - here the challenge is discovery - Second layer is "control" - it's about putting some restrictive elements in front of the sensor - a user needs to authenticate etc. - Third layer is "coordination"-it's about many devices acting together according to certain policies etc. Along these layers I located different sub-topics of our identity discussion. Maybe it's a good way to bring some order and focus to our groups topics. It would be good to match this order with your current IoT projects/experiences and provide feedback. Many greets, Ingo

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Protocols and Variations
by Salvatore D'Agostino 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

So I mentioned that I would out some links to standards for networking controllers and sensors. Here are a few with random pictures and links. Canbus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/CAN-Bus-frame_in_base_for mat_without_stuffbits.png BacNet http://www.bacnet.org http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=37299 Dash7 http://www.dash7.org/ https://dash7.memberclicks.net/assets/capture.png http://www.dailywireless.org/images/up/zigbee.jpg Zigbee http://www.zigbee.org http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LMEVh6cyQhg/Tj6QvzqB_II/AAAAAAAAADY/UXmJG3leDI0/s1 600/wsn_tcp_ip_8.jpg BlueTooth https://www.bluetooth.org/en-us/specification/adopted-specifications WiFi http://standards.ieee.org/about/get/802/802.11.html GPRS http://www.3gpp.org/DynaReport/SpecVsWi--45001.htm DSRC http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_es/202600_202699/202663/01.01.00_50/es_2026 63v010100m.pdf Salvatore D'Agostino, CSCIP IDmachines LLC |1264 Beacon Street, #5 | Brookline, MA 02446 | USA http:\\www.idmachines.com <http://www.idmachines.com/> | http:\\idmachines.blogspot.com <http://idmachines.blogspot.com/> | @idmachines +1 617.201.4809 ph | +1 617.812.6495 fax

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doodle poll for a new IDoT confcall time
by Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Hi all, This is the announced doodle poll. Please let me know when the best time for you is to take part for less than 1 hour call (every second week) If you just want to take part from time to time, put in your name and leave everything open. If you want to be in the call please fill in yes, maybe(yes) and no options. If you have any questions please let me know! http://doodle.com/uts4iazfae7mz664 Thank you! Best, Ingo

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