Perfect word
From: Robin Wilton [mailto:wilton@isoc.org]
Sent: 09 March 2015 10:12
To: Salvatore D'Agostino
Cc: Susan Morrow; j stollman; wg-irm@kantarainitiative.org;
dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [WG-IRM] [DG-IDoT] Laws of Relationships
As someone who attacked Kim's Laws for the hubris of the label, I share the
concern.
An alternative might be "Principles".
R
Robin Wilton
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On 8 Mar 2015, at 16:21, Salvatore D'Agostino wrote:
Yes, don't disagree but I don't think that is where the title is coming
from. I think the whole point was to play off of Kim's "Laws" and say there
are new ones in play. There is a certain ring to laws and benefits in terms
of capturing audience. It probably gets more attention than Design
Requirements for Relationship Management. This is an initial work and of
even more interest to me is the mutability of the requirements as a topic in
play as opposed to the title of the document as a whole. One of the things
we may find is that the permutations of relationships mean that even
laws/requirements may need a bit of if, then. Among our next steps is
taking the document apart, ideally law by law but overall is fine too as we
look to reconstitute the "laws".
We can put this in play on Tuesday, will get an agenda out and look forward
to getting together then. Don't forget to follow @irmwg and join the
linkedin group and contribute to the conversation there as well.
Good balance of the weekend to all,
Sal
From: Susan Morrow [ mailto:susan.morrow@avocosecure.com
mailto:susan.morrow@avocosecure.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 1:56 AM
To: j stollman
Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; mailto:dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org
dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Laws of Relationships
I agree with you Jeff and brought up the same issue about being immutable.
It also precludes the acceptance of fuzziness in relationships too.
I suppose the use of the word 'law' in technology has a different meaning
than the use of it in sciences like physics and chemistry.
Susan
On 8 Mar 2015, at 05:35, j stollman < mailto:stollman.j@gmail.com
stollman.j@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since Kim Cameron's Laws of Identity, the industry seems to gravitate
towards the use of the term "Laws". But I think what this document really
is is a specification of design requirements for a new system(s) capable of
meeting the objectives stated in the introduction.
I have no particular agita over these design requirements. But I feel that
framing them properly as design requirements, rather than laws, offers
flexibility to design alternative systems that may select only a subset or
explicitly violate one or more laws. At this early stage I prefer this
flexibility to the immutable sound of "Laws."
Jeff
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Salvatore D'Agostino <
mailto:sal@idmachines.com sal@idmachines.com> wrote:
Here is the link I mentioned, we also have a twitter handle for the group of
@irmwg and use the same for a hashtag #irmwg.
<https://kantarainitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kantara-Initiative
-IRM-Laws-of-Relationship-Final-Report-v1.0.pdf>
https://kantarainitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Kantara-Initiative-
IRM-Laws-of-Relationship-Final-Report-v1.0.pdf
Other Kantara reports are here:
https://kantarainitiative.org/reports-recommendations/
https://kantarainitiative.org/reports-recommendations/
Enjoy the weekend.
Sal
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