Sal, Thanks for your earlier noodling, here's a somewhat delayed response. I focused on the entities (thus dropping security and privacy) and added devices as you had suggested in your original email. The intersections between the main circles become relationships between the entity types, so for example a person can have a role in an organization, a device can belong to a person or an organization. There's an upcoming Kantara seminar on Identity Relationship Management <http://tscpworkshop.com/?session=identity-relationship-management-business-consumers-and-citizens-connection-and-context-in-the-age-of-iot> at the TSCP Symposium on 2014-09-24 that I believe Ingo Friese will be attending, maybe we DG-IDOT can work on this to develop something concrete to offer at the workshop. Maybe we can discuss this in the next Kantara IDOT call (2014-08-08). Regards, Scott On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:

Something to share, more extracurricular noodling than anything, was trying to consider idesg framework a bit in the process

*From:* Eve Maler [mailto:eve@xmlgrrl.com] *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 3:33 PM *To:* Salvatore D'Agostino *Cc:* wg-uma@kantarainitiative.org *Subject:* Re: [WG-UMA] 4 venn person org privacy security

Interesting! Was this something you just had to get out of your head, or a work artifact, or what? It would be an interesting exercise to try and incorporate all of the verbs in the marvelous spiral, and map them to people and orgs.

Eve

On 6 Jun 2014, at 8:37 AM, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:

For IoT maybe add device as a 5th since it starts with protect and share its uma by design ;-)

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