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Kantara Workshop on EIC Munich and additional Session
by Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] 27 Mar '17

27 Mar '17

Hey Folks, within the IDPro- 'Taxonomy and BoK' Subgroup we are discussing if it makes sense to provide (apart from within the Kantara Workshop on Monday) an additional session on IDPro. Especially within our Subgroup we think we could present the current ideas on the Taxonomy to a broader audience (and not only to those being dedicated to Kantara already and having a full conference pass). here is the link to EIC (May 8th -12th): https://www.kuppingercole.com/events/eic2017 and here the 'slot' for the workshop. Workshop <https://www.kuppingercole.com/events/eic2017-kantara> The BoK subgroup needs a broader base for contribution (from vendors, customers, independent consultants and thinkers), and the conference would allow us for a more widely flag of 'we are here'. If we decide 'yes', we have to hurry up, as there are not many slots left. What do you think? Thorsten

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Kantara ID Pro BoK meeting TODAY 7pm EDT
by Megan Cannon 23 Mar '17

23 Mar '17

Greetings, Please join us today for our BoK / Taxonomy meeting at 7pm EDT. Dial in details are listed below; you may view the complete list of call details for each meeting by accessing the Kantara calendar <https://kantarainitiative.org/calendars/>. **Please note these times are in *Eastern Daylight Time*. All the best, Megan ### *BoK/Taxonomy WG* Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:00pm to 8:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage. action?pageId=85492303 Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357 You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3116 <(571)%20317-3116> Access Code: 135-593-357 More phone numbers Australia: +61 2 8355 1034 <+61%202%208355%201034> Austria: +43 1 2060 92964 Belgium: +32 28 08 4372 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9372 <(647)%20497-9372> Denmark: +45 69 91 84 58 <+45%2069%2091%2084%2058> Finland: +358 923 17 0556 France: +33 170 950 590 Germany: +49 692 5736 7206 <+49%2069%20257367206> Ireland: +353 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Netherlands: +31 208 080 759 New Zealand: +64 9 974 9579 <+64%209-974%209579> Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 <+47%2021%2004%2030%2059> Spain: +34 931 76 1534 <+34%20931%2076%2015%2034> Sweden: +46 775 757 471 Switzerland: +41 435 0026 89 United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011 <+44%2020%203713%205011> First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready

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Kantara ID Pro Discussion Group Meeting TODAY 2pm EDT
by Megan Cannon 22 Mar '17

22 Mar '17

Greetings, Please join us TODAY at 2pm EDT for the full ID Pro Discussion Group meeting. Dial in details are listed below; you may view the complete list of call details for each meeting by accessing the Kantara calendar <https://kantarainitiative.org/calendars/>. **Please note these times are in *Eastern Daylight Time*. All the best, Megan ### I *D Pro Discussion Group* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:00pm-3:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/ confluence/display/idpro/Home Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/747903453 You can also dial in using your phone. United States +1 (646) 749-3117 <(646)%20749-3117> Access Code: 747-903-453 More phone numbers Australia +61 2 8355 1039 <+61%202%208355%201039> Austria +43 7 2088 1033 Belgium +32 (0) 28 93 7001 Canada +1 (647) 497-9379 <(647)%20497-9379> Denmark +45 69 91 89 33 <+45%2069%2091%2089%2033> Finland +358 (0) 923 17 0555 France +33 (0) 170 950 585 Germany +49 (0) 692 5736 7301 <+49%2069%20257367301> Ireland +353 (0) 19 030 050 Italy +39 0 693 38 75 50 Netherlands +31 (0) 208 080 208 New Zealand +64 9 925 0481 <+64%209-925%200481> Norway +47 21 54 82 21 <+47%2021%2054%2082%2021> Spain +34 911 82 9890 <+34%20911%2082%2098%2090> Sweden +46 (0) 853 527 817 Switzerland +41 (0) 435 0167 65 United Kingdom +44 (0) 330 221 0099 <+44%20330%20221%200099>

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- BoK -Meeting Minutes available and Kantara Workshop on EIC Munich
by Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] 21 Mar '17

21 Mar '17

Hi fellow campaigners, The meeting minutes from yesterdays BoK Meeting is available here <https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=85492…> One of the topics discussed was the question, if we should contribute to the Kantara Workshop <https://www.kuppingercole.com/events/eic2017-kantara> on this years' EIC 2017, especially (from our Subgroups view) on the status of the BoK and the Taxonomy Model which should drive this. Maybe worth to talk about on the generak ID Pro Discussion Group meeting tomorrow (2-3 pm EDT) Thx, Thorsten

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Kantara ID Pro Working Group Meeting: TODAY at 12pm EDT
by Megan Cannon 21 Mar '17

21 Mar '17

Greetings, Please be reminded of the ID Pro Membership and Services meeting today at 12pm EDT. Dial in details are listed below; you may view the complete list of call details for each meeting by accessing the Kantara calendar <https://kantarainitiative.org/calendars/>. **Please note these times are in *Eastern Daylight Time*. All the best, Megan ### *Membership and Services WG* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:00pm-1:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/ Member+Services Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/322271101 You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 <(646)%20749-3129> Access Code: 322-271-101 More phone numbers Canada: +1 (647) 497-9391 <(647)%20497-9391> Sweden: +46 (0) 853 527 836 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0086 <+44%20330%20221%200086> First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready ### I *D Pro Discussion Group* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:00pm-3:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/ confluence/display/idpro/Home Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/747903453 You can also dial in using your phone. United States +1 (646) 749-3117 <(646)%20749-3117> Access Code: 747-903-453 More phone numbers Australia +61 2 8355 1039 <+61%202%208355%201039> Austria +43 7 2088 1033 Belgium +32 (0) 28 93 7001 Canada +1 (647) 497-9379 <(647)%20497-9379> Denmark +45 69 91 89 33 <+45%2069%2091%2089%2033> Finland +358 (0) 923 17 0555 France +33 (0) 170 950 585 Germany +49 (0) 692 5736 7301 <+49%2069%20257367301> Ireland +353 (0) 19 030 050 Italy +39 0 693 38 75 50 Netherlands +31 (0) 208 080 208 New Zealand +64 9 925 0481 <+64%209-925%200481> Norway +47 21 54 82 21 <+47%2021%2054%2082%2021> Spain +34 911 82 9890 <+34%20911%2082%2098%2090> Sweden +46 (0) 853 527 817 Switzerland +41 (0) 435 0167 65 United Kingdom +44 (0) 330 221 0099 <+44%20330%20221%200099> ### *BoK/Taxonomy WG* Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:00pm to 8:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage. action?pageId=85492303 Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357 You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3116 <(571)%20317-3116> Access Code: 135-593-357 More phone numbers Australia: +61 2 8355 1034 <+61%202%208355%201034> Austria: +43 1 2060 92964 Belgium: +32 28 08 4372 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9372 <(647)%20497-9372> Denmark: +45 69 91 84 58 <+45%2069%2091%2084%2058> Finland: +358 923 17 0556 France: +33 170 950 590 Germany: +49 692 5736 7206 <+49%2069%20257367206> Ireland: +353 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Netherlands: +31 208 080 759 New Zealand: +64 9 974 9579 <+64%209-974%209579> Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 <+47%2021%2004%2030%2059> Spain: +34 931 76 1534 <+34%20931%2076%2015%2034> Sweden: +46 775 757 471 Switzerland: +41 435 0026 89 United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011 <+44%2020%203713%205011> First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready

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Kantara ID Pro Working Group Meetings this week
by Megan Cannon 20 Mar '17

20 Mar '17

Greetings, Below is a list of this week's ID Pro Working Group Meetings. Dial in details are listed below; you may view the complete list of call details for each meeting by accessing the Kantara calendar <https://kantarainitiative.org/calendars/>. **Please note these times are in *Eastern Daylight Time*. All the best, Megan ### *BoK/Taxonomy WG* Monday, March 20, 2017 11:00am to 12:00am Eastern Daylight Time Link to work space: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=85492… Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357 You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3116 Access Code: 135-593-357 More phone numbers Australia: +61 2 8355 1034 Austria: +43 1 2060 92964 Belgium: +32 28 08 4372 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9372 Denmark: +45 69 91 84 58 Finland: +358 923 17 0556 France: +33 170 950 590 Germany: +49 692 5736 7206 Ireland: +353 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Netherlands: +31 208 080 759 New Zealand: +64 9 974 9579 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden: +46 775 757 471 Switzerland: +41 435 0026 89 United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011 First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready ### *Membership and Services WG* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:00pm-1:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Member+Services Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/322271101 You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 Access Code: 322-271-101 More phone numbers Canada: +1 (647) 497-9391 Sweden: +46 (0) 853 527 836 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0086 First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready ### I *D Pro Discussion Group* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:00pm-3:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Home Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/747903453 You can also dial in using your phone. United States +1 (646) 749-3117 Access Code: 747-903-453 More phone numbers Australia +61 2 8355 1039 Austria +43 7 2088 1033 Belgium +32 (0) 28 93 7001 Canada +1 (647) 497-9379 Denmark +45 69 91 89 33 Finland +358 (0) 923 17 0555 France +33 (0) 170 950 585 Germany +49 (0) 692 5736 7301 Ireland +353 (0) 19 030 050 Italy +39 0 693 38 75 50 Netherlands +31 (0) 208 080 208 New Zealand +64 9 925 0481 Norway +47 21 54 82 21 Spain +34 911 82 9890 Sweden +46 (0) 853 527 817 Switzerland +41 (0) 435 0167 65 United Kingdom +44 (0) 330 221 0099 ### *BoK/Taxonomy WG* Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:00pm to 8:00pm Eastern Daylight Time Link to workspace: https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=85492… Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357 You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3116 Access Code: 135-593-357 More phone numbers Australia: +61 2 8355 1034 Austria: +43 1 2060 92964 Belgium: +32 28 08 4372 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9372 Denmark: +45 69 91 84 58 Finland: +358 923 17 0556 France: +33 170 950 590 Germany: +49 692 5736 7206 Ireland: +353 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Netherlands: +31 208 080 759 New Zealand: +64 9 974 9579 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden: +46 775 757 471 Switzerland: +41 435 0026 89 United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011 First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready

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ID Pro BoK meeting tonight - CANCELLED
by Megan Cannon 16 Mar '17

16 Mar '17

Hello, Tonight's BoK meeting has been cancelled. All the best, Megan

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Kantara ID Pro Working Group Meetings this week
by Megan Cannon 12 Mar '17

12 Mar '17

Hello all, Below is a list of this week's ID Pro Working Group Meetings. Dial in details are listed below; you may view the complete list of call details for each meeting by accessing the Kantara calendar <https://kantarainitiative.org/calendars/>. **Please note these times are in *Eastern Daylight Time*. All the best, Megan *BoK/Taxonomy WG* *Monday, March 13, 2017* *11:00am to 12:00am Eastern Daylight Time* Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357 <https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357> You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3116 Access Code: 135-593-357 More phone numbers Australia: +61 2 8355 1034 Austria: +43 1 2060 92964 Belgium: +32 28 08 4372 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9372 Denmark: +45 69 91 84 58 Finland: +358 923 17 0556 France: +33 170 950 590 Germany: +49 692 5736 7206 Ireland: +353 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Netherlands: +31 208 080 759 New Zealand: +64 9 974 9579 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden: +46 775 757 471 Switzerland: +41 435 0026 89 United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011 First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready *Membership and Services WG* *Monday, March 13, 2017* *12:00pm-1:00pm Eastern Daylight Time* *Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. * https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/322271101 <https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/322271101> *You can also dial in using your phone. * United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 <%28646%29%20749-3129> *Access Code: 322-271-101 * *More phone numbers * Canada: +1 (647) 497-9391 <%28647%29%20497-9391> Sweden: +46 (0) 853 527 836 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0086 <+44%20330%20221%200086> First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready *BoK/Taxonomy WG* *Thursday, March 16, 2017* *7:00pm to 8:00pm Eastern Daylight Time* Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357 <https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/135593357> You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3116 Access Code: 135-593-357 More phone numbers Australia: +61 2 8355 1034 Austria: +43 1 2060 92964 Belgium: +32 28 08 4372 Canada: +1 (647) 497-9372 Denmark: +45 69 91 84 58 Finland: +358 923 17 0556 France: +33 170 950 590 Germany: +49 692 5736 7206 Ireland: +353 19 030 053 Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 Netherlands: +31 208 080 759 New Zealand: +64 9 974 9579 Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 Spain: +34 931 76 1534 Sweden: +46 775 757 471 Switzerland: +41 435 0026 89 United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011 First GoToMeeting? Try a test session: http://help.citrix.com/getready <http://help.citrix.com/getready>

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Body of Knowledge working group
by Andrew Hughes 09 Mar '17

09 Mar '17

As the recent list threads highlight, there is a need for a consolidated body of knowledge. We have developed a simple taxonomy and are working on itemizing "things ID Pros should know or know about for the profession" within that basic structure. We are not writing the book of knowledge - just the table of contents. Our approach right now is pretty sporadic - contributing to the google doc - our pace is limited by the number of people showing up regularly. If you can contribute time to organize in-person sessions or other construction methods, please step up. Meeting times are Mondays 11am Eastern. thanks andrew. *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000(a)gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *

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Re: [DG-IDPro] IdM Poster.
by Andrew Hughes 08 Mar '17

08 Mar '17

Hey Charles - that's a good characterization of identity attributes, but perhaps not the only useful one. I think it applies mostly to the case where identity attributes are being used to recognize or otherwise identify a returning entity. However, when attempting to identify an entity that may not have been previously encountered, and without a previously-stored authoritative data source for comparison, all that is left is characteristics of an entity that can be used to describe that entity. Which is useful in many other scenarios. Other techniques such as enrollment, correlation, step-up authentication, delayed authentication etc. could then be applied if there is a need to determine uniqueness or use a broader context/population. The context within which the analyst is considering the semantics of the 'attribute' is likely to constrain the required characteristics of those attributes. (or something like that) andrew. *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000(a)gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Charles Eckert <mr.eckert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Have been following this discussion closely and had a few thoughts on this > statement. > > > > While I agree that each of the attributes you’ve cited are attributes > about an entity, I’m not convinced they are good Identity Attributes. Every > entity, whether a person or NPE, has a bunch of attributes associated with > them. A subset of those attributes are useful to identify that entity > within a specific context and I would consider those Identity Attributes. > > > > The context piece is important. Email address is unique using unique > name/domain pairs for the entire population, a plain username is only > workable within an application or site. Even unique identifiers like SIN > may collide across national boundaries. This is where the example of the > password as an identity attribute falls down and can’t be guaranteed to > maintain uniqueness within a population of accounts. > > > > I suspect identity attributes have a few key characteristics: > > 1) Sufficient to identify a specific entity within a context > (application, national, global, etc) > > 2) Tend to be stable over the long term (which is why weight and > height, facial hair, etc wouldn’t be great identity attributes) > > 3) Strong identity attributes are associated with events that define > an identity (e.g. birth cert (or change of name) for name, Serial Number at > manufacturing, account creation, etc) as they provide a documented > start/stop to a specific attribute > > > > Behavioural Biometrics > > “Something you do” is discussed frequently within the authentication > context. I see its value in continuous authentication scheme; after the > primary authentication event, behaviour can demonstrate whether the entity > still has active control over the account. For primary authentication, I’d > still look at the first 3 factors only for their point-in-time nature. > Unless behavioral biometrics were baked into primary authentication (e.g. > cadence of password/pin) then the measurement over time can only > demonstrate that the entity had possession previously and/or after the auth > event. > > > > The full set of entities that need identity includes persons and NPEs > (IoT, IoE, etc). These are easy, but longer term identity will also have to > apply to other constructs as well: from current generation “chat bots” to > future AI entities. > > > > Thanks for starting this interesting thread Kaliya. Hopefully this will > create a healthy conversation within that program. > > > > Charles > > > > *From:* dg-idpro-bounces(a)kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idpro-bounces@ > kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Natale, Bob > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 3:30 AM > *To:* Kaliya Identity Woman > *Cc:* dg-idpro(a)kantarainitiative.org > > *Subject:* Re: [DG-IDPro] IdM Poster. (thats wrong) > > > > Hi Kaliya, > > > > Don’t mistake the value of an attribute for the attribute as a construct. > > > > My weight, height, marital status, address(es), phone number(s), even SSN, > might change over time too … that does not negate there status as useful > identity attributes. > > > > Avanti, > > BobN > > > > >

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