Re: [DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Discussion Group meeting today at 11am ET

I was responsible for our department being awarded an Athena Swan Bronze Award, whose original objective was to increase the number of women in science and computing (see http://www.ecu.ac.uk/). I can agree with Kaliya that getting people to admit that bias exists is quite hard, getting them to see that unconscious bias exists is even harder, and getting them to change the processes and procedures so that they are bias free is harder still. We started on this path as a department three years ago and still have several more years ahead of us before we can assert that we are bias free. Writing anti-discrimination clauses into our ID-PRO code of conduct is a very noble aim, but it takes real effort and resources to make it happen. This implies that some of the annual membership fee should be directed towards this end, and that there are effective ways of measuring the amount of bias/non-bias in the members. Without metrics the whole process becomes a simple paper ticking exercise, which is somewhat pointless. regards David On 07/12/2016 18:18, Kaliya Identity Woman wrote:

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Scott Shorter mailto:scott.shorter@kuma.pro> wrote:

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A fair question - identity and bias are certainly inter-related issues. Who do you envision would be the recipient of such training?

The ID professionals you are suggesting follow this code of conduct.

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At a minimum, I would imagine that the code of conduct should provoke some evaluation of actual and potential practices against the objectives, which would be a good start.

Most ID Professionals that I have met do not have any good knowledge or training around these issues.

When I have brought issues up around these topics in professional settings they make people VERY VERY uncomfortable.

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Thanks for the input, Scott____

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*From: *Kaliya Identity Woman mailto:kaliya@identitywoman.net> *Date: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM *To: *Scott Shorter mailto:scott.shorter@kuma.pro> *Cc: *Megan Cannon mailto:megan@kantarainitiative.org>, "dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org" mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org> *Subject: *Re: [DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Discussion Group meeting today at 11am ET____

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Given this statement is in the code of conduct ____

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__· __I will treat fairly all persons and not engage in acts of discrimination based on race, religion, gender, disability, age, citizenship, national origin, veteran status, sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression."____

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Are we as an organization going to be offering rigorous training around how to address implicit bias? And understanding the dynamics and issues that are in play when dealing with marginalized communities. Relative to communities of color and people who are white Americans this is sometimes called White Awareness Training or Anti-Racism Training.____

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There is similar work to be done around sexism (men relative to women) and relative to gender identity issues. ____

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Along with training to be aware of religion etc. ____

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If we do not offer resources to live into the statements we should not be making the statements a requirement of "the profession". ____

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Scott Shorter mailto:scott.shorter@kuma.pro> wrote:____

My apologies for missing the meeting, I had a prior conflict at that time. The wiki is up to date with the status of the code of conduct project https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Codes+of+Conduct+Spac.... Please let me know if any questions or comments came up.____

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Is 11am the new meeting time going forward? ____

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Regards,____

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*From: *mailto:dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org> on behalf of Megan Cannon mailto:megan@kantarainitiative.org> *Date: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 9:07 AM *To: *"dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org" mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org> *Subject: *[DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Discussion Group meeting today at 11am ET____

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Greetings,____

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Please join the Kantara ID Pro Discussion Group call today at 11:00am ET.____

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The call details are below for your reference.____

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All the best,____

Megan____

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*Agenda:*____

* Project teams report out ____

o Body of Knowledge / Taxonomy - Thorsten Niebuhr____ o Codes of Conduct / Practice - Scott Shorter____ o Membership Models / Services - Giles Watkins____ o Governance / Structure - Sarah Squire____

* Participation level discussion____

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