I agree that it’s a challenging topic to address. Not much useful happens inside of comfort zones, in my opinion, so I’ll continue to make people uncomfortable for one more email round. 1. By way of background to the conversation, and in support of the goal of bettering my own knowledge, I recently followed a friend’s good advice and read David Berreby’s “Us vs Them, the Science of Identity”, I found it very informative on a number of topics relevant to this topic. While I can’t claim to be a “bias professional” after reading it, I have an extremely concise summary that I hope could be useful: All of us with human brains have circuits within that are dedicated to sorting out people into groups (“kinds”) just as surely we have sensory homunculi and letter-recognizing neural networks. What is not hard-wired is the value judgements and decisions we form based on that circuit. Those value judgements instead are taught to us, propagated via culture in all its vagaries. The critical thing to recall is that any one specific attribute is likely to be a poor predictor of any person’s full story. 2. On the broader topic of training in support of objectives, I’m sure that the organization will provide some resources or guidance but I don’t know if it would take the form of rigorous training. Evaluate all the code of conduct objectives in the same light - e.g., for the objective regarding conflict of the group should to provide some resources on steps to take for managing potential conflicts. Finding qualified trainers on all the topics seems a potentially challenging. Whether training occurs or not, I would think the objective is worthwhile. My $0.02, and now I’ll try to listen, which is always a good thing to do when conversations become challenging. - Scott From: Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 1:18 PM To: Scott Shorter <scott.shorter@kuma.pro> Cc: Megan Cannon <megan@kantarainitiative.org>, "dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org" <dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org> Subject: Re: [DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Discussion Group meeting today at 11am ET On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Scott Shorter <scott.shorter@kuma.pro<mailto:scott.shorter@kuma.pro>> wrote: Hi Kaliya, A fair question - identity and bias are certainly inter-related issues. Who do you envision would be the recipient of such training? The ID professionals you are suggesting follow this code of conduct. At a minimum, I would imagine that the code of conduct should provoke some evaluation of actual and potential practices against the objectives, which would be a good start. Most ID Professionals that I have met do not have any good knowledge or training around these issues. When I have brought issues up around these topics in professional settings they make people VERY VERY uncomfortable. Thanks for the input, Scott From: Kaliya Identity Woman <kaliya@identitywoman.net<mailto:kaliya@identitywoman.net>> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM To: Scott Shorter <scott.shorter@kuma.pro<mailto:scott.shorter@kuma.pro>> Cc: Megan Cannon <megan@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:megan@kantarainitiative.org>>, "dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org>" <dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org>> Subject: Re: [DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Discussion Group meeting today at 11am ET Given this statement is in the code of conduct • I will treat fairly all persons and not engage in acts of discrimination based on race, religion, gender, disability, age, citizenship, national origin, veteran status, sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression." Are we as an organization going to be offering rigorous training around how to address implicit bias? And understanding the dynamics and issues that are in play when dealing with marginalized communities. Relative to communities of color and people who are white Americans this is sometimes called White Awareness Training or Anti-Racism Training. There is similar work to be done around sexism (men relative to women) and relative to gender identity issues. Along with training to be aware of religion etc. If we do not offer resources to live into the statements we should not be making the statements a requirement of "the profession". On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Scott Shorter <scott.shorter@kuma.pro<mailto:scott.shorter@kuma.pro>> wrote: My apologies for missing the meeting, I had a prior conflict at that time. The wiki is up to date with the status of the code of conduct project<https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Codes+of+Conduct+Space>. Please let me know if any questions or comments came up. Is 11am the new meeting time going forward? Regards, Scott From: <dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org>> on behalf of Megan Cannon <megan@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:megan@kantarainitiative.org>> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 9:07 AM To: "dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org>" <dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:dg-idpro@kantarainitiative.org>> Subject: [DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Discussion Group meeting today at 11am ET Greetings, Please join the Kantara ID Pro Discussion Group call today at 11:00am ET. The call details are below for your reference. 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