I like the comments about what digital Identity is contributing to (society, economy) and that the end goal of it is to create trust between the RP and Subject (in both directions). I’ve modified the previous statement but have also reworded that sentiment to reflect the building of trust. To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of the use of digital identity in support of an inclusive digital society. Alternatively: A common professional and ethical approach to Digital Identity, which creates trust, at the heart of an inclusive digital society. From: dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of David Treece Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:51 PM To: Ken Dagg Cc: DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDPro] Question 3 B Mission Statement Thread I like that. David Treece Costco Wholesale IAM Enterprise Architect (425) 416-2697 dtreece@costco.com On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs@gmail.com> wrote: I like the direction of Joni's recommendation however I don't really like the list. As well, I personally have a dislike of the word "capabilities". To that end I'd like to propose the following: To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of the use of digital identity. I believe that this encompasses both the use of digital identity in products and services as well as aspects that deal with respecting privacy. As well, I believe that it provides a focus on the why of digital identity instead of just digital identity as something unto itself. Ken On Thursday, 27 October 2016, Sarah Squire <sarah@engageidentity.com> wrote: +1 to Joni's shorter cut On Oct 27, 2016 9:30 AM, "Joni Brennan" <jonibrennan@gmail.com> wrote: Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =) Perhaps a shorter cut could be... "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity services business, policy, and technology development" On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire <sarah@engageidentity.com> wrote: Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about: (The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy" Sarah Squire Engage Identity <http://engageidentity.com/> http://engageidentity.com On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg <kendaggtbs@gmail.com> wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both: To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth. I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services. Ken On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen <chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote: Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan <jonibrennan@gmail.com> wrote: Hello All, Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly. I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth. 2 cents for consideration. thx On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen <chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote: IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis <colin@kantarainitiative.org> wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem. My 2c.. Cheers On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer <iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 <tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166> @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer> _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro -- Executive Director <https://kantarainitiative.org/> Kantara Initiative Inc. 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