Re: [DG-IDPro] Reminder: ID Pro Body of Knowledge Work Stream Meeting TODAY

Andrew, first of all: great work! I really like the 'layer' approach allowing us to built upon established process frameworks and concentrate on the Identity stuff. Which brings me to the first question: * Should we concentrate on one process framework (eg COBIT as mentioned in your visualization)? Personally, I think we should NOT, to allow a broader view. But it might make sense to create (not until february, but some day) a reference 'architecture' based on a specific one. While I totally agree on Bob's view (and I especially like the 'mediation across Authentication, Authorizations (note the plural form), and contextual factors', we should concentrate on a more general view here (in the end, it is still our shot on a 'topLevel' Taxonomy.) The first draft of the model included 'Anonymous, Citizen, Employee, Customers', so types of Identities. I am happy that this is not in the new draft, as it is not broad enough. Personally, I often use the term 'Entitiy' for anything that is managed with IAM/IAG Approaches/Goals. Another term could be 'PII linked Artifacts'. Those artifacts need IG (joiner/mover/leaver) and AM (auth-n and auth-z) processes. So if we use the * 'Identification (Registration Management)' as the one representing on and off-boarding (Joiner and Leaver) * 'Credential Management' as the whole 'Mover' Section * Authentication and Authorization as the 'AM' Section We would be able to describe a full lifecycle of a 'PII linked artifact' (always in conjunction with the rings and layers of the model) 1. Join /Register 2. Mover * Authentication * Authorization * Contexts and relations * Attributes 3. Leaver (De-Register) I am totally aware of the unusal 'stretching' of the term 'Mover'.... And the last question: The 'bulls eye' of the board is named 'Information'. I assume this means the PII-Abstract we are dealing with (eg a persons Date-of-Birth)? best Thorsten On 29.11.2016 15:50, Andrew Hughes wrote:

Good points Bob.

Group: is there merit in having a distinction between "Management of" versus "Active Control of" for all segments?

I'm trying to think through how that might emerge in each segment - Identification / Registration (yes); Credentials (yes); authentication (maybe); privilege management (yes)

andrew.

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Natale, Bob mailto:RNATALE@mitre.org> wrote:

I recommend that you distinguish “Authorization” from “Access Management” … Authorization is a (logically) off-line activity relative to Access Control … Authorization is closer to Privilege Management (and might be a proper subset of it) … Access Control is a real-time/run-time activity that has to mediate across Authentication, Authorizations (note the plural form), and contextual factors to make an operational grant/deny decision.

Here are the supporting definitions from CNSSI 4009 (as reproduced in NIST IR 7298 Revision 1, /Glossary of Key Information Security Terms/:

Access Control

The process of granting or denying specific requests to: 1) obtain and use information and related information processing services; and 2) enter specific physical facilities (e.g., federal buildings, military establishments, border crossing entrances).

Authorization

Access privileges granted to a user, program, or process or the act of granting those privileges.

Privilege

A right granted to an individual, a program, or a process.

Privilege Management

The definition and management of policies and processes that define the ways in which the user is provided access rights to enterprise systems. It governs the management of the data that constitutes the user’s privileges and other attributes, including the storage, organization and access to information in directories.

YMMV, but I’ve been down this road a number of times and have always encountered the need to distinguish those two concepts/constructs.

Avanti,

BobN

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I created a PPTx and PDF version of the hand-drawn 'visual' taxonomy for debate and discussion

It is here http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/download/attachments/85492303/BoK%20Diagram.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1480373062000&api=v2 http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/download/attachments/85492303/BoK%20Diagram.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1480373062000&api=v2

andrew.

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] mailto:tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:

Links to the minutes

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=854925... https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=854925...

thx all

On 28.11.2016 17:13, Shannon Taylor Kantara wrote:

All,

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Regards,

Shannon

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