-BoK-Subgroup#Initial Meeting
Good Morning everyone! The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on *November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC * Stay tuned for the conference details! May I ask to complete the following before * Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) o I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack * Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) o final agreement on collaboration tool o Discuss Roadmap for the Bok + Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' + Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup + Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) o Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2. cheers, Thorsten -- <http://www.wedacon.net> Thorsten H. Niebuhr tniebuhr@wedacon.net / tniebuhr@wedacon.de <mailto:tniebuhr@wedacon.net> WedaCon Informationstechnologien GmbH Office: +49 (251) 399 678-22 Fax: +49 (251) 399 678-50 Mobile: +49 (174) 991 257 4 Kroegerweg 29 D-48155 Muenster http://www.wedacon.net Amtsgericht Muenster HRB 6115 USt.-ID: DE216758544 StNr.: 336/5775/1487 Geschaeftsfuehrender Gesellschafter: Thorsten H. Niebuhr
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well. Stu On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] < tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:
Good Morning everyone! The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
- Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) - I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
- Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) - final agreement on collaboration tool - Discuss Roadmap for the Bok - Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' - Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup - Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) - Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
--
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Sounds good - thanks for getting started quickly. Everyone, please look here: http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Calendar for a google calendar for the ID Pro DG meetings. You can also subscribe to it for convenience. andrew. *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Stu Lincoln <stu@stulincoln.com> wrote:
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well.
Stu
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] < tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:
Good Morning everyone! The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
- Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) - I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
- Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) - final agreement on collaboration tool - Discuss Roadmap for the Bok - Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' - Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup - Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) - Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
--
Thorsten H. Niebuhr tniebuhr@wedacon.net / tniebuhr@wedacon.de <tniebuhr@wedacon.net>
WedaCon Informationstechnologien GmbH Office: +49 (251) 399 678-22 <+49%20251%2039967822> Fax: +49 (251) 399 678-50 <+49%20251%2039967850> Mobile: +49 (174) 991 257 4 <+49%20174%209912574> Kroegerweg 29 D-48155 Muenster http://www.wedacon.net
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Hi BoKkers - to follow up on Thorsten’s agenda email for the first meeting... Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very
strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
I think we’ve got to figure out a high level description of what kind of content detail should exist in the BoK during the creation phase. Are we expecting to see hierarchies of concepts and terms with - some text that an editor curates? - a list of reading sources/links? - citations from specific publications? We do need to clarify the Purpose as well - is the BoK a compendium of concepts and facts that an ID Professional should know (not everything to all depths, but an identifiable subset); is the BoK a job-practice catalog (things ID Pros know how to do in specified job roles ?); is it a general practices catalog (articles/material that describe common/best practices for subjects)? Or, what? *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good - thanks for getting started quickly.
Everyone, please look here: http://kantarainitiative.org/ confluence/display/idpro/Calendar for a google calendar for the ID Pro DG meetings. You can also subscribe to it for convenience.
andrew.
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Stu Lincoln <stu@stulincoln.com> wrote:
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well.
Stu
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] < tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:
Good Morning everyone! The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
- Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) - I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
- Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) - final agreement on collaboration tool - Discuss Roadmap for the Bok - Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' - Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup - Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) - Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
--
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WedaCon Informationstechnologien GmbH Office: +49 (251) 399 678-22 <+49%20251%2039967822> Fax: +49 (251) 399 678-50 <+49%20251%2039967850> Mobile: +49 (174) 991 257 4 <+49%20174%209912574> Kroegerweg 29 D-48155 Muenster http://www.wedacon.net
Amtsgericht Muenster HRB 6115 USt.-ID: DE216758544 StNr.: 336/5775/1487 Geschaeftsfuehrender Gesellschafter: Thorsten H. Niebuhr
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I agree fully with Andrew with respect to deciding what the purpose of the BoK should be. To help with this discussion here are links to the Project Management (PM) and Management Consulting (CMC) Bodies of Knowledge: PM - https://www.wrike.com/project-management-guide/faq/what-is-pmbok-in-project-... MC - http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=17672628& and http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=6972570 and http://www.imcsa.org.za/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=L3Oanb3yE2g%3D I provide these two bodies of knowledges as examples of what might be rather than something that should be copied. Ken On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:57 PM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi BoKkers - to follow up on Thorsten’s agenda email for the first meeting...
Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
I think we’ve got to figure out a high level description of what kind of content detail should exist in the BoK during the creation phase.
Are we expecting to see hierarchies of concepts and terms with - some text that an editor curates? - a list of reading sources/links? - citations from specific publications?
We do need to clarify the Purpose as well - is the BoK a compendium of concepts and facts that an ID Professional should know (not everything to all depths, but an identifiable subset); is the BoK a job-practice catalog (things ID Pros know how to do in specified job roles ?); is it a general practices catalog (articles/material that describe common/best practices for subjects)?
Or, what?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Hughes < andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good - thanks for getting started quickly.
Everyone, please look here: http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Calendar for a google calendar for the ID Pro DG meetings. You can also subscribe to it for convenience.
andrew.
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Stu Lincoln <stu@stulincoln.com> wrote:
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well.
Stu
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] < tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:
Good Morning everyone! The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
- Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) - I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
- Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) - final agreement on collaboration tool - Discuss Roadmap for the Bok - Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' - Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup - Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) - Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
--
Thorsten H. Niebuhr tniebuhr@wedacon.net / tniebuhr@wedacon.de <tniebuhr@wedacon.net>
WedaCon Informationstechnologien GmbH Office: +49 (251) 399 678-22 <+49%20251%2039967822> Fax: +49 (251) 399 678-50 <+49%20251%2039967850> Mobile: +49 (174) 991 257 4 <+49%20174%209912574> Kroegerweg 29 D-48155 Muenster http://www.wedacon.net
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Hi all, (and thx to all already contributing!) here are the final conference details: https://panel.turbobridge.com/webcall/ (use your computer to connect directly to the call) North America Toll: +1 (805) 309-2350 <tel:%2B1%20%28805%29%20309-2350> Alternate Toll: +1 (714) 551-9842 <tel:%2B1%20%28714%29%20551-9842> International Toll: http://www.turbobridge.com/international.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_url-3Fq-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.turbobridge.com-252Finternational.html-26sa-3DD-26ust-3D1459860779017000-26usg-3DAFQjCNEHJlnFb-5FhrF8WshzJlLf6n-2DgRH0w&d=DQMFAg&c=BNNF-YNv0CLLslhP2Bcx5Q&r=mE99SAjRYP0yt9HgTRYZXt-HLttH4ue3ndoNc57eKFA&m=GOOcjaztGa0O8UhTPmj763WvR_GpFQ4mwUzAyj9bi9E&s=1RpDXO-ddjL43KRxb9_CH4FjtzEctKKMu0jRmHYkthY&e=> Conference ID: 402-2737 For ScreenSharing/ Chat, we will use jit.si, The URL will be: https://meet.jit.si/idpro-bokkers Have a nice weekend! T. On 19.11.2016 00:18, Ken Dagg wrote:
I agree fully with Andrew with respect to deciding what the purpose of the BoK should be. To help with this discussion here are links to the Project Management (PM) and Management Consulting (CMC) Bodies of Knowledge: PM - https://www.wrike.com/project-management-guide/faq/what-is-pmbok-in-project-... MC - http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=17672628& and http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=6972570 and http://www.imcsa.org.za/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=L3Oanb3yE2g%3D I provide these two bodies of knowledges as examples of what might be rather than something that should be copied. Ken
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:57 PM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi BoKkers - to follow up on Thorsten’s agenda email for the first meeting...
Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
I think we’ve got to figure out a high level description of what kind of content detail should exist in the BoK during the creation phase.
Are we expecting to see hierarchies of concepts and terms with - some text that an editor curates? - a list of reading sources/links? - citations from specific publications?
We do need to clarify the Purpose as well - is the BoK a compendium of concepts and facts that an ID Professional should know (not everything to all depths, but an identifiable subset); is the BoK a job-practice catalog (things ID Pros know how to do in specified job roles ?); is it a general practices catalog (articles/material that describe common/best practices for subjects)?
Or, what?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com> ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ <http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/> *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds good - thanks for getting started quickly.
Everyone, please look here: http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Calendar for a google calendar for the ID Pro DG meetings. You can also subscribe to it for convenience.
andrew.
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 <tel:%2B1%20650.209.7542> m +1 250.888.9474 <tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474> 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com> ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ <http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/> *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Stu Lincoln <stu@stulincoln.com <mailto:stu@stulincoln.com>> wrote:
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well.
Stu
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] <tniebuhr@wedacon.net <mailto:tniebuhr@wedacon.net>> wrote:
Good Morning everyone!
The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
* Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) o I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
* Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) o final agreement on collaboration tool o Discuss Roadmap for the Bok + Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' + Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup + Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) o Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
--
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WedaCon Informationstechnologien GmbH Office: +49 (251) 399 678-22 <tel:+49%20251%2039967822> Fax: +49 (251) 399 678-50 <tel:+49%20251%2039967850> Mobile: +49 (174) 991 257 4 <tel:+49%20174%209912574> Kroegerweg 29 D-48155 Muenster http://www.wedacon.net
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Hi ID Pro Bokkers - call starts now (9:30am Pacific Standard Time Monday Nov 21) https://panel.turbobridge.com/webcall/ (use your computer to connect directly to the call) North America Toll: +1 (805) 309-2350 Alternate Toll: +1 (714) 551-9842 International Toll: http://www.turbobridge.com/international.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_url-3Fq-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.turbobridge.com-252Finternational.html-26sa-3DD-26ust-3D1459860779017000-26usg-3DAFQjCNEHJlnFb-5FhrF8WshzJlLf6n-2DgRH0w&d=DQMFAg&c=BNNF-YNv0CLLslhP2Bcx5Q&r=mE99SAjRYP0yt9HgTRYZXt-HLttH4ue3ndoNc57eKFA&m=GOOcjaztGa0O8UhTPmj763WvR_GpFQ4mwUzAyj9bi9E&s=1RpDXO-ddjL43KRxb9_CH4FjtzEctKKMu0jRmHYkthY&e=> Conference ID: 402-2737 For ScreenSharing/ Chat, we will use jit.si, The URL will be: https://meet.jit.si/idpro-bokkers Have a nice weekend! *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] < tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:
Hi all,
(and thx to all already contributing!)
here are the final conference details:
https://panel.turbobridge.com/webcall/ (use your computer to connect directly to the call)
North America Toll: +1 (805) 309-2350
Alternate Toll: +1 (714) 551-9842
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Conference ID: 402-2737
For ScreenSharing/ Chat, we will use jit.si, The URL will be: https://meet.jit.si/idpro-bokkers
Have a nice weekend!
T.
On 19.11.2016 00:18, Ken Dagg wrote:
I agree fully with Andrew with respect to deciding what the purpose of the BoK should be. To help with this discussion here are links to the Project Management (PM) and Management Consulting (CMC) Bodies of Knowledge: PM - https://www.wrike.com/project-management-guide/faq/what-is- pmbok-in-project-management/ MC - http://www.icmci.org/download/ ?id=17672628& and http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=6972570 and http://www.imcsa.org.za/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=L3Oanb3yE2g%3D I provide these two bodies of knowledges as examples of what might be rather than something that should be copied. Ken
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:57 PM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi BoKkers - to follow up on Thorsten’s agenda email for the first meeting...
Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
I think we’ve got to figure out a high level description of what kind of content detail should exist in the BoK during the creation phase.
Are we expecting to see hierarchies of concepts and terms with - some text that an editor curates? - a list of reading sources/links? - citations from specific publications?
We do need to clarify the Purpose as well - is the BoK a compendium of concepts and facts that an ID Professional should know (not everything to all depths, but an identifiable subset); is the BoK a job-practice catalog (things ID Pros know how to do in specified job roles ?); is it a general practices catalog (articles/material that describe common/best practices for subjects)?
Or, what?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Hughes < andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds good - thanks for getting started quickly.
Everyone, please look here: http://kantarainitiative.org/ confluence/display/idpro/Calendar for a google calendar for the ID Pro DG meetings. You can also subscribe to it for convenience.
andrew.
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Stu Lincoln <stu@stulincoln.com> wrote:
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well.
Stu
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] < tniebuhr@wedacon.net> wrote:
Good Morning everyone! The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
- Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) - I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
- Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) - final agreement on collaboration tool - Discuss Roadmap for the Bok - Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' - Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup - Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) - Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
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https://meet.jit.si/idptest On 19.11.2016 22:56, Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] wrote:
Hi all,
(and thx to all already contributing!)
here are the final conference details:
https://panel.turbobridge.com/webcall/ (use your computer to connect directly to the call)
North America Toll: +1 (805) 309-2350 <tel:%2B1%20%28805%29%20309-2350>
Alternate Toll: +1 (714) 551-9842 <tel:%2B1%20%28714%29%20551-9842>
International Toll: http://www.turbobridge.com/international.html <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.google.com_url-3Fq-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.turbobridge.com-252Finternational.html-26sa-3DD-26ust-3D1459860779017000-26usg-3DAFQjCNEHJlnFb-5FhrF8WshzJlLf6n-2DgRH0w&d=DQMFAg&c=BNNF-YNv0CLLslhP2Bcx5Q&r=mE99SAjRYP0yt9HgTRYZXt-HLttH4ue3ndoNc57eKFA&m=GOOcjaztGa0O8UhTPmj763WvR_GpFQ4mwUzAyj9bi9E&s=1RpDXO-ddjL43KRxb9_CH4FjtzEctKKMu0jRmHYkthY&e=>
Conference ID: 402-2737
For ScreenSharing/ Chat, we will use jit.si, The URL will be: https://meet.jit.si/idpro-bokkers
Have a nice weekend!
T.
On 19.11.2016 00:18, Ken Dagg wrote:
I agree fully with Andrew with respect to deciding what the purpose of the BoK should be. To help with this discussion here are links to the Project Management (PM) and Management Consulting (CMC) Bodies of Knowledge: PM - https://www.wrike.com/project-management-guide/faq/what-is-pmbok-in-project-... MC - http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=17672628& and http://www.icmci.org/download/?id=6972570 and http://www.imcsa.org.za/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=L3Oanb3yE2g%3D I provide these two bodies of knowledges as examples of what might be rather than something that should be copied. Ken
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:57 PM Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi BoKkers - to follow up on Thorsten’s agenda email for the first meeting...
Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
I think we’ve got to figure out a high level description of what kind of content detail should exist in the BoK during the creation phase.
Are we expecting to see hierarchies of concepts and terms with - some text that an editor curates? - a list of reading sources/links? - citations from specific publications?
We do need to clarify the Purpose as well - is the BoK a compendium of concepts and facts that an ID Professional should know (not everything to all depths, but an identifiable subset); is the BoK a job-practice catalog (things ID Pros know how to do in specified job roles ?); is it a general practices catalog (articles/material that describe common/best practices for subjects)?
Or, what?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com> ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ <http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/> *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sounds good - thanks for getting started quickly.
Everyone, please look here: http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/idpro/Calendar for a google calendar for the ID Pro DG meetings. You can also subscribe to it for convenience.
andrew.
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 <tel:%2B1%20650.209.7542> m +1 250.888.9474 <tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474> 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com> ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ <http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/> *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Stu Lincoln <stu@stulincoln.com <mailto:stu@stulincoln.com>> wrote:
Great, looking forward to working with you. Absolutely agree on the strategy as well.
Stu
On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:51 AM Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH] <tniebuhr@wedacon.net <mailto:tniebuhr@wedacon.net>> wrote:
Good Morning everyone!
The BoK /Taxonomy-Subgroup will do its initial Meeting on
*November, 21th (Monday) ; 5:30 PM UTC *
Stay tuned for the conference details!
May I ask to complete the following before
* Sign up for Kantara Wiki (and/or Slack) o I think it makes sense to have access to the official Kantara Wiki, even if we decide to do stuff in Slack
* Check out the agenda (some ideas from my side based on the discussions we had so far) o final agreement on collaboration tool o Discuss Roadmap for the Bok + Phase 1 (Feb 2017): Purpose, Audience, Highlevel Knowledge Domains, 'BoK-Workgroup' + Phase 2 (tbd): building the required 'infrastructure' for a BoK-Workgroup + Phase 3 (tbd): tbd ;) o Final Agreement on Meeting Schedule for the SubGroup
Some further thoughts on the 'phase 1': Due to the limited timeframe we have for this, we need to have a very strict 'scope of work', while the outcome should enable (us) to start the 'real' and detailed work on a BoK. My personal opinion is that a Taxonomy/BoK should be a 'living document', which will never be completed or finished. In analogy to a software product, in the future we might have major versions of a BoK, but also minor updates between them. Staying in that analogy, the current subgroup's goal could be to deliver a higl-level view on the 'Product' and suggestions on how to build and maintain it, eg with a BoK-Workgroup in Phase 2.
cheers,
Thorsten
--
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WedaCon Informationstechnologien GmbH Office: +49 (251) 399 678-22 <tel:+49%20251%2039967822> Fax: +49 (251) 399 678-50 <tel:+49%20251%2039967850> Mobile: +49 (174) 991 257 4 <tel:+49%20174%209912574> Kroegerweg 29 D-48155 Muenster http://www.wedacon.net
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Andrew Hughes -
Ken Dagg -
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Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH]