I’m on the plane to Manchester right now. I don’t have time to help you. Didn’t anyone proofread it?

If I could understand what the proposal actually is, I’d be happy to support it - even if I disagreed with it. But I will tell you again - I cannot understand what the thing you are describing actually is. 

By the way - Consent Receipt would not have become ISO 27560 if I and others had not persisted for several years against experts in WG5 who were intent on changing it completely. 

I cannot support and promote something that I cannot understand. And I have been trying to understand it for a long time. 

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On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 8:23 PM Mark Lizar <mark@transparencylab.ca> wrote:
That is helpful feedback,  and the claims, now that you mention it are  misplaced in the format of the report. If you have any suggestions on how to rectify - then a positive way forward would be welcome. 

Best,

Mark

On 6 Apr 2024, at 20:55, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sorry Sal - but I have a very hard time understanding what the document tries to describe or what the ask is. 
If it is to inform the ISO committee of work going on outside of ISO, then it does a confusing and poor job.
There are a whole bunch of claims that "the scheme" or "the TPI" or some other things actively "do" things - no mention of WHO or WHAT takes action - it's all super-vague and seems to paint a wishful-thinking world.

In it's current state I do not support sending this document outside of Kantara.
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 7:01 AM Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:

Cleaned up further 

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FYI - the polished version, 


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Incorporating your latest changes

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