On 6 Sep 2024, at 15:17, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark - you should not be surprised - every 3-4 years you announce that you are going to take the work into some other organization - and every time I inform you that it's not the right way to make progress - my stridency has increased over the years as my frustration mounts.That's a very interesting revisionist history you present.You might want to look closer at how DGSI's path to ISO publication actually functions - on the surface it is as you say - but it doesn't actually result in what you claim.The original CR v1.1 was contributed to SC 27/WG 5 with the approval of the CISWG - of which you were a member at the time. The work followed a normal path inside the ISO WG (which is national and international collaboration to arrive at a consensus result). And as you pointed out, two of the lead participants in the CR work are now extending the ISO work."Free to download" does not mean "open".All of the other organizations that you have tried to get into have rules and funding mechanisms and revenue models. Just wait until the bill is presented to you at DGSI - it is no different than any other member-based organization.It's probably time for this work to stop at Kantara entirely - since clearly the grass is greener elsewhere. I'll let others decide that.Don't misunderstand me - the receipt work IS important and valuable - that is precisely why we advanced it into ISO SC 27 and got such strong international participation there. And the work continues there.
On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 11:38 AM Mark Lizar <mark@transparencylab.ca> wrote:
HI Andrew,
I regret that my note about furthering the ANCR work led to such a reaction from you. My intention was not to provoke, but to deliver on a constructive path forward. As you know, there are issues around ISO being open; As well as how it was forked from the CISWG. This proposal enables us to collaborate with an organisation and to produce a spec and demo with national support and resources.
Thank you for bringing these matters up as it provides me with a chance to clarify the situation.
The Consent Receipt work was taken to ISO without the WG’s knowledge, where it was incorrectly named, the CISWG wiki was shut down, and progress on this work was delayed significantly. In my view, these actions were not taken on my behalf but at my expense and the expense of the people who contributed to the work. Which was not you.
That being said international standardisation personal data control and the governance of digital identity it is a complex issue. Working on an open transparency standard that can be internationally usable for consent based data exchange and security has been tough,
As you are not a member of this work group, you are likely not be aware of the 4 proposals over the last 5 years to further this international standard with national regulators. In fact, we were funded by EU NGI Trust for transparency signalling to operationalise consent,
As a result, in our roadmap we have planned ito work on the transparency scheme in ANCR and the companion standard at DGSI, which will ensure the standard is open at ISO, and enable national and international collaborations which are not possible from the ANCR WG.
In this collaboration we have great expectations as a developing benefit for Kantara with ANCR as the convenor of this collaboration, And we are looking for Kantara to support and participate. Which is likely what is threatening your enough to be so un-proffessional.
To address etiquette issues, we have worked on a consensus policy protocol, to ensure consensus and ettiquette and also to play an ongoing role, suited to the ANCR WG, in the development of this policy
The key here is the Transparency Performance Scheme, which ANCR can and will use to support digital trust assurance program in the future. A tremendous opportunity for Kantara,.
The KI Demo of ANCR, an inclusive, equitable, and governed digital identity alternative will be amazing step forward, a step I hope you reconsider your support, and conduct yourself more appropiorately on this mailing list going forward,
Best Regards,
Mark
On 6 Sep 2024, at 13:23, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
So - what I'm getting from this thread is that after you made a request for funding support from Kantara (which was on a good track to be approved), you are going to take the work to yet another organization. And in doing so, because you don't listen to advice about how the various systems work, you are going to end up in a dead end.Kantara has indulged you for many years with not much to show for it beyond the work that others did on your behalf to make the work surface at ISO SC27 - which you then shit on repeatedly. Your welcome is wearing out Mark.
On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 7:41 AM Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:
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