That’s an interesting perspective Andrew … though not one with which I can find agreement. Please don’t try to push this responsibility on the IAWG membership, which for many months has been trying (through the IAWG) to effectively get stuff done so as to maintain and support the ongoing operation of the IAF. From the first communication (2025-02-24) post IAWG Chair/Vice-Chair elections there has been a process of conducting business out of sight of the IAWG members, of frequent meeting cancellations, of obfuscation, of false statements and of what appears as a systematic lack of openness and at times denial. Just look at the trail of IAWG and related emails. It is against these circumstances that there has been member pushback, and justifiably so. Again, before we worry about any future direction I think there needs to be an openness about the present situation. Richard G. WILSHER CEO & Founder, Zygma Inc. www.Zygma.biz +1 714 797 9942 From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 August, 2025 14:50 To: Mike Magrath Cc: Yehoshua Silberstein; IAWG; Andrew Johnston Subject: [WG-IDAssurance] Re: IAWG Meeting This Thursday, August 14th: Discussing Our Future Direction Hi Mike - jumping in here - 17065 allows the organization operating a service to design it in the ways that make sense for its operations. You won’t find the answer you seek in the text of 17065. If you would like clarity, Kay (and the supporting team) is the person you must consult. If you recall, when Yehoshua and I made sincere and extended efforts to engage IAWG to determine our own destiny, at a point in time where we possibly could have shifted design decisions, all we got was pushback and flames. And so we did what the WG insisted: we processed the backlog. There is no point in trying to pin down the precise sentence in the ISO document from which all else arises. That’s not how it works. Andrew. Andrew Hughes CISM m +1 250.888.9474 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-hughes-682058a On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 6:57 AM Mike Magrath <mmagrath@easydynamics.com> wrote: Yehoshua, I am aware that Kantara is not permitted to share the full ISO 17065 document however, I don't see any restriction to copying and pasting specific language in 17065 that has driven this course of direction for full transparency with the IAWG. I spent considerable time last week reading and re-reading the standard multiple times and consulted Google, Gemini and ChatGPT looking for clear evidence as to why the IAWG, under its current charter, cannot continue to develop and maintain the service assessment criteria. While 17065 puts the onus on the certification body to have procedures in place to maintain impartiality, that is in place today. Kantara would need to own the scheme which it clearly does today. Under the current structure of the IAWG, I do not think it jeopardizes 17065 accreditation. If it is specified in 17065, I would appreciate it if you of someone on this distribution list will point that out to me. Opening Thursday's meeting with the specific ISO language would be a good way to kick off the discussion and answer a lot of questions. This is an important decision, and the members of the IAWG deserve transparency. Regards, Mike Michael Magrath (he/him) | Director of Identity Policy and Industry Relations | <http://www.easydynamics.com/> Easy Dynamics Corp mmagrath@easydynamics.com | 703-944-1090 From: Yehoshua Silberstein [mailto:yehoshua@proof.com] Sent: Tuesday, 12 August, 2025 19:49 To: IAWG Subject: [WG-IDAssurance] IAWG Meeting This Thursday, August 14th: Discussing Our Future Direction Hi IAWG, This is a reminder for our scheduled meeting this Thursday, August 14th, at the usual time. As you know, the release of NIST SP 800-63 v4 and recent organizational changes have brought the IAWG's original mandate to its natural conclusion. To ensure a clean transition, we have completed our review of all outstanding items and formally handed off all concluded work to Kantara staff for implementation. With our legacy work now complete, the purpose of this meeting is to discuss the formal wind-down of the IAWG and to present a proposal for a new working group to tackle the next set of industry challenges. This new initiative will focus on: * Enabling a trusted marketplace for modular identity components. * Standardizing how a verified identity is bound to critical actions like signatures and consents. We look forward to your participation as we celebrate the IAWG's accomplishments and discuss this vision for the future. Best regards, Yehoshua Silberstein & Andrew Hughes IAWG Co-Chairs IAWG - Weekly Group Call Kantara Initiative is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. 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