Re: [WG-IDAssurance] Working on 63-4 comments; authoritative and credible sources

Is this what you are looking for: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

So where does one go to retrieve the REAL-ID information

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From: Lorrayne Auld <lorraynejs@gmail.com>
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Subject: [WG-IDAssurance] Re: Working on 63-4 comments; authoritative and credible sources

So where does one go to retrieve the REAL-ID information as well as for those states AAMVA doesn’t have a connection agreement with those states? Perhaps AAMVA is more of an attribute service, or a trusted intermediary, going to each of the authoritative data sources (DMV) to obtain the data requested of the CSP.

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Subject: RE: [WG-IDAssurance] Re: Working on 63-4 comments; authoritative and credible sources

Isn’t it authoritative to the extent that issuers allow it to access their data? It just isn’t authoritative across all 54 (55?) issuing sources.
But it isn’t authoritative about REAL-ID status, so caveat.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 17:39
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Subject: [WG-IDAssurance] Re: Working on 63-4 comments; authoritative and credible sources

I just finished reviewing this section of 63A this morning so is fresh in my mind. I view AAMVA as a credible source for physical driver's licenses as it’s a private corporation and not a government entity. Also of note is their DLDV that was noted in the document. To my knowledge, not all states participate in this service so how can this be deemed authoritative?

AAMVA may eventually become an authoritative source for mDLs if and when the States look to them as the issuer of the Digital Trust Service (DTS). mDL implementation and DTS participation by state is here near the bottom of the page: https://www.aamva.org/jurisdiction-data-maps

From: Yehoshua Silberstein via WG-IDAssurance <wg-idassurance@kantarainitiative.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 12:54 PM
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Subject: [WG-IDAssurance] Re: Working on 63-4 comments; authoritative and credible sources

Two points -

The Social Security Number Verification Service is another authoritative source.
Arguably, being subject to regulatory oversight isn't clear enough to mean anything substantial. All these entities are subject to numerous privacy-related regulations, and depending on the specific database, can be subject to regulations related to KYC/AML or FTC data security requirements to name a few.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2024 at 12:17 PM Jimmy Jung <jimmy.jung@slandala.com> wrote:

.. but there was one I kind of wanted to get out there early.

CSPs SHOULD collect core attributes, but SHALL validate them with authoritative or credible sources, which seems to point to some perverse incentives.

But more critically, looking at the definitions of authoritative and credible sources; am I mistaken, but is AAMVA the ONLY accessible authoritative source? And does linking “regulatory oversight” to the credible sources severely limit it to the big 3 credit bureaus and maybe a few more? (did MNO aggregators just drop out?)

jimmy

2.4.2.4. Validation Sources

The CSP SHALL use authoritative or credible sources that meet the following criteria. 760

An authoritative source is the issuing source of identity evidence or attributes, or has 761

direct access to the information maintained by issuing sources, such as state DMVs for 762

driver’s license data and the Social Security Administration for Social Security Cards 763

and Social Security Numbers. An authoritative source may also be one that provides or 764

enables direct access to issuing sources of evidence or attributes, such as the American 765

Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators’ Driver’s License Data Verification (DLDV) 766

Service. 767

A credible source is an entity that can provide or validate the accuracy of identity 768

evidence and attribute information. In addition to being subject to regulatory oversight 769

(such as the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA)), a credible source has access to attribute 770

information that can be traced to an authoritative source, or maintains identity attribute 771

information obtained from multiple sources that is correlated for accuracy, consistency, 772

and currency. Examples of credible sources are credit bureaus that are subject to the 773

FCRA. 774

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