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PEMC V 2 Input Requested
by John Wunderlich 23 Sep '26

23 Sep '26

Folks; We have created a Google Form to elicit feedback for version 2.0 PEMC extended to online transactions. There is a link to the notes from today: https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/AQDYgw You can also open the form directly here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfX5Uedw3k8HMzlE2DbbDDzoDbBNSiEMFi… Hoping to hear from all of you! Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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I rented a car, and within hours, my driver's license was for sale - Ars Technica
by John Wunderlich 14 Sep '26

14 Sep '26

https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/09/my-drivers-license-is-one-of-153-m… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Drafting v1.1 and v2.0
by John Wunderlich 02 Sep '26

02 Sep '26

Folks, I wanted to send this ahead of tomorrow’s call because I want to ensure we are on the same page with respect to drafting and editing for v1.1 (and eventually v2.0). Right now, I'm juggling a few tools, and I don’t think any one of them is doing the whole job well. I think we have three options, all with different sets of problems. Sadly, the problems are likely to be even worse if we don't land on one of the options. Option 1: Confluence: This is already home base for the Work Group. Kantara hosts it, our meeting notes and votes live there, and everyone already has a login. No new tool to learn. The catch: Confluence just isn’t built for real collaborative drafting. Formatting gets clunky fast, tracking who changed what is awkward, and editing a long document with several people in it at once is not what it’s good at. Option 2: Google Docs: Google is genuinely good at the thing Confluence is bad at: real-time collaborative writing. Comments, suggestions, and multiple people typing at once are all functional. The catch: it depends on each of us keeping track of our own Google Doc links and sharing permissions. Links go stale, sharing settings get missed, and someone’s always asking, “Wait, which doc is the current one?” Option 3: GitHub: GitHub solves the link problem: one repository, one address, always up to date, and it works whether you’re inside or outside a Google account. It also gives us a clean, dated record of who wrote what and when, which is genuinely useful for our IPR obligations under the Non-Assertion Covenant. The catch: it has a learning curve. If you’ve never used GitHub, the idea of commits, branches, and pull requests can feel like a lot just to leave a comment on a document. Full disclosure: I’m personally partial to Markdown writing, mostly because I already write these drafts in Markdown on my own machine, so it fits how I work. But that should not be a determinative factor for the group. Have a think so you can express your preference (or your objections) to tomorrow’s call or in a reply to this email. Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Resuming PEMC calls this week
by John Wunderlich 31 Aug '26

31 Aug '26

Folks; I hope you have had a wonderful summer. Welcome back and I look forward to catching up with you on this week's PEMC call. You should have, or shorly will, receive a notice that the Meeting Notes have been published. If you don't the Meeting Notes for this week are here: https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/PEMC/pages/2148859908/2026-09-02+… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Woman flagged by ID scanner as nationwide 'public safety concern' after incident in Winnipeg bar | CBC News
by John Wunderlich 26 Aug '26

26 Aug '26

How not to use an ID scan at the bar: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/patronscan-id-winnipeg-riverside-ba… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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PEMC over the summer
by John Wunderlich 21 Jul '26

21 Jul '26

Folks; Between me being behind on some drafting work for both PEMC v1.1 and v2.0, the summer doldrums, and after a discussion on the last call, we are cancelling the PEMC calls for the balance of the summer. I will be taking the time to catch up on the backlog and am targetting late August to get you drafts for review on Sept. 2. Enjoy your summer. Next PEMC Zoom Call: Wednesday, September 2nd at 14:00 Eastern Join Zoom Meeting https://us06web.zoom.us/j/98664009878?pwd=Y1loWlQ5NlVvb3locFlReWpnMG8rQT09 (https://www.google.com/url?q=https://us06web.zoom.us/j/98664009878?pwd%3DY1…) Meeting ID: 986 6400 9878 Passcode: 651020 Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Fwd: A decade-old standard just got agent-shaped
by John Wunderlich 16 Jul '26

16 Jul '26

John Wunderlich, This is interesting Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Eve Maler <eve(a)vennfactory.com> Date: Jul 15, 2026 at 17:01 -0400 To: john(a)wunderlich.ca Subject: A decade-old standard just got agent-shaped > A working prototype answers the question every agent protocol dodges. > ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ ͏ ‌ > Hi superfriend, > > Almost exactly a year ago, I wrote about whether User-Managed Access (UMA) — the standard I founded and ran for years at Kantara — had anything to offer the AI agent moment. I called it Alice-to-Bob and Alice-to-Bot sharing, and left it as an open question. This week, thanks to Nick Gamb, it's not open anymore. > > UMA for Agents > > Every agent protocol available today answers one question: is this my agent, doing my task, accessing the right digital stuff of mine? None of them answer the harder one: is your agent allowed to touch my digital stuff? > > Most identity and security thinking about agents still models the solitary case — one person, their own agent, the digital footprint they already have — when the actual shape of an agent economy is Bob's agent showing up at Alice's door, asking for a resource that's hers. > Alice's brokerage dashboard at Meridian Wealth — the actual resource Bob's agent is asking to touch. Source: uma4agents project. > Nick and I have spent months trading ideas on how old standards tech holds up under agentic weight, and the proof-of-concept that answers it is his — built directly out of that back-and-forth. It carries UMA 2.0 into agent-shaped mechanics, paired with Dick Hardt's AAuth for agent identity and proof-of-possession. > > UMA was built for exactly this kind of asynchronous, policy-based consent — what I described last year (for those of you who remember O.G. web access management) as solving “WAM for people”: Alice gets access management controls of the sort only enterprises normally use, and Bob's agent is told how and where to ask for access instead of simply being denied. > > In the demo, Alice is a brokerage client and Bob is her financial advisor. His firm's agent asks for her holdings summary: granted automatically, purpose-bound and expiring, decided against terms Alice set in advance. Her transaction history: granted too, under stricter terms she dictated. Then the agent asks to place an actual trade — Alice's policy says “ask me” — so the request pends, her phone buzzes, and she approves that one trade, and only that trade, from her couch. Every connection, every promised term, every action taken lands in her activity ledger, and she can revoke any of it, any time. > Every promise, every touch, every approval — tracked live in Alice's activity ledger. Source: uma4agents project. > This is at the heart of the mutual agency problem I describe in Chapter 11 of Mastering Digital Identity. For the standards backstory — requesting parties, resource owners, why delegation matters here — my year-ago post “Whither User-Managed Access in the AI agent era?” has the details. To see it just work, check out Nick's repo. > > A 17-year-old sketch, made real > > The prototype does one more thing worth knowing about: it implements MyTerms (IEEE Std 7012-2025), the new standard for machine-readable consent terms, extended to cover the kinds of permissions agents actually request and the terms an owner like Alice is willing to grant. > > Applying MyTerms in this way descends directly from UMA's “Requesting Party Policy” concept, which I developed along with original UMAnitarians like Paul Bryan and Domenico Catalano. The UMA group was sketching resource-sharing contracts back in 2009. > A 2009 mockup for fictional authorization service "CopMonkey"; the UMA group’s earliest sketch of a resource-sharing contract picker. Source: Kantara’s UMA Experience wiki page. > Nick checked the prototype directly against the published 7012 standard: Alice's terms live at a stable, dereferenceable address, and both sides walk away holding the identical, signed record of exactly what was agreed. > > Come find me > > Here's the full roundup of stops in the next two months: > > > • > July 16 — Book signing, North Texas ISSA Lunch 'n' Learn, Texas Star Country Club, Euless, TX. Register on EventBrite. > • > July 21 — Talk, Q&A, and book signing, Silicon Valley ISSA, NetApp offices, San Jose, CA. I'm bringing 100 complimentary copies courtesy of Cyber1Armor. Register on Luma. > • > August 3 — Talk and book signing at Ross Young's CISO Retreat, Las Vegas, NV. For CISOs and Deputy CISOs only. Register at CISO Tradecraft. > • > August 14 — Speaking, Kwaai.ai virtual Friday public meeting. Details here. > • > September 1 — Panel and book signing, The Deepfake Summit, Washington, DC. Convened by The Prism Project and Acuity Market Intelligence. Event details. > > > Need identity strategy advice? > > If your organization is working through the tough questions of agent access control — or any other identity strategy question — reach out. I've got some advisory capacity available starting in October. > Talk to Eve about advisory work > All my best, > Eve > > P.S. If you haven't picked up Mastering Digital Identity yet, find out where to buy it and get your free bonus chapter at the same time, at masteringdigitalidentity.com. > You’re receiving this email because you signed up to hear from me. > Update your preferences or unsubscribe > View in browser -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. 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Reminder: No PEMC call today
by John Wunderlich 01 Jul '26

01 Jul '26

Happy Canada Day! Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Computer difficultes
by John Wunderlich 17 Jun '26

17 Jun '26

Rebooting and joining call late Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Draft Scope of Work for Stream 2
by John Wunderlich 04 Jun '26

04 Jun '26

Hi Folks; I have created a draft scope of work for PEMC Stream 2. You should be able to view and comment with this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MBcsmjc9N4H0rwpKEVzrSvOJnOkazfmaC5vG7Xi… Looking forward to your comments and to talking tomorrow on the call. Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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