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privacy enhancing position from AAMVA
by Tom Jones 09 May '25

09 May '25

Big news from hashtag#EIC2025 <https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=%23eic2025&origin=HAS…> yesterday: AAMVA (American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators) <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aamva/> said on stage that they will forbid their members from enabling “server retrieval”, the hidden surveillance feature inside the new mobile driving license (MDL). This is big news. While no hashtag#MDL <https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=%23mdl&origin=HASH_TA…> in production currently uses this “phone home” feature, it’s very existence in the ISO specification means that, in theory, the DMV could choose to be notified every time you use your MDL to prove your identity, age, or address. Given the wide range of scenarios where an instantly-verifiable digital identity credential like an MDL would be useful, this could be tantamount to a citizen-scale surveillance dragnet for the government: a massive invasion of privacy and curtailment of liberty. Thankfully, hashtag# privacy <https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/all/?keywords=%23privacy&origin=HAS…> advocates have been tirelessly shining a light on this risk, and with this clarification of policy we know that at least in the US the risk is somewhat reduced. How the rule will be enforced and what transparency measures will be in place are not yet clear, but this is a very positive step nonetheless. Peace ..tom jones

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Useful reference
by Salvatore D'Agostino 05 May '25

05 May '25

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Rebuilding Trust in a Digital World: Why Credentials and Wallets Alone Are Not Enough
by John Wunderlich 02 May '25

02 May '25

FYI: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/digital-identity-trust-governance-credential… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Why I Emphatically Oppose Online Age Verification Mandates - Technology & Marketing Law Blog
by John Wunderlich 01 May '25

01 May '25

Hi Folks; It’s beginning to look like the PEMC work group is starting to flag on the work to develop conformance testing. Let’s revisit this at next week’s call. In the meantime, the following post came to my attention. It flags why, if we decide to proceed to extend the PEMC requirement to online scenarios, we will have to deal with questions like what privacy-protective online age verification looks like or whether it is possible. https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2025/04/why-i-emphatically-oppose-onl… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Reminder: PEMC Call Today
by John Wunderlich 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

I’m hoping to get quorum today so that we can talk about the conformance testing work we need to do. https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/PEMCP/pages/969703425/2025-04-30+… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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REAL-ID FAQ: What will happen at US airports on May 7, 2025? – Papers, Please!
by John Wunderlich 25 Apr '25

25 Apr '25

https://papersplease.org/wp/2025/04/22/real-id-faq-what-will-happen-at-us-a… Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Re: [Openid-specs-digital-credentials-protocols] Second WGLC for OID4VP
by Tom Jones 24 Apr '25

24 Apr '25

Here is a Dark Pattern of Verifier requests that was actually seen in the California mDL trials run lately. The Verifier will get permission (or whatever it might be called) to ask for a collection of purposes, for example a convenience store could be selling chewing gum, hard liquor and sim cards for smartphones. This is what the ecosystem allows it to ask for, along with payments. So if I buy a stick of chewing gum and decide to pay with my EUDIW, it is within the approved permissions for this store to ask intrusive questions that apply to purchasing liquor or sim cards, which are very intrusive in some countries. Peace ..tom jones On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 3:53 PM Joseph Heenan via Openid-specs-digital-credentials-protocols < openid-specs-digital-credentials-protocols(a)lists.openid.net> wrote: > Dear DCP Working Group Members, > > > As discussed on today’s (yesterday now for some of you!) working group > call (and as per my email) we would like to start a get WG consensus that > the current OpenID4VP draft is ready to start the final specification > approval process. > > Please respond to this email within the next 2 days, by end of Thursday > 22nd April, whether you believe the current draft should proceed to the > public review or not. > > The OpenID4VP document to be reviewed can be found here: > https://openid.net/specs/openid-4-verifiable-presentations-1_0-27.html > > There is one normative PRs that we agreed during the working group meeting > to work on during working group last call (just waiting for final reviews > please!): > > Rename authorization_encrypted_response_enc parameter > https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/pulls > > The above should resolve the point Mike Jones raised during WGLC. > > There’s an ongoing attempt to understand Tom Jones’s issue raised during > WGLC. > > There’s also a few non-breaking improvements in PRs that may be merged > before public review. > > If there are other topics working group members think need to be handled > before the specification moves to final please reply to this email with > details. > > This is very much just a step on the journey, and it is likely that > comments will arrive during the 60 day review period that the working group > chooses to fix before the voting period starts. > > The details of the specification approval process can be found here: > https://openid.net/wg/resources/approving-specifications/. > > This email is about the first bullet point on this list "Obtain working > group consensus to propose foundation-wide approval of the draft > specification", which is often called Working Group Last Call (WGLC). > The following steps are to start a 60-day Foundation-wide review, followed > by the 7 day voting period (the poll itself will open 7 days before the end > of the Foundation-wide review ends). > > Kindest Regards, > Editors & Chairs > > -- > Openid-specs-digital-credentials-protocols mailing list > Openid-specs-digital-credentials-protocols(a)lists.openid.net > > https://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-specs-digital-credentials-… >

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the current OID4VP standard is (IHMO) not compliant with PEMC
by Tom Jones 23 Apr '25

23 Apr '25

This issue from the still evolving spec shows (IMHO) that the spec currently planned for the EUDIW (and other) ecosystem will not meet the PEMC because it is not clear how informed consent is achieved. Complexity is (IMHO) not a good answer in the world of AI and human inattention. https://github.com/openid/OpenID4VP/issues/333#issuecomment-2816774542 So what to do? Allow the sort of obfuscation that the OIDF spec demands? Or to take arms against a sea of complexity and by opposing, end it. Kantara has proposed an alternative solution that avoids the complexity. Peace ..tom jones

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reminder: no PEMC call today
by John Wunderlich 23 Apr '25

23 Apr '25

Talk next week Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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Conformance Testing for PEMC participants
by John Wunderlich 16 Apr '25

16 Apr '25

Hi; The group's next meeting is in two weeks, and I would like to start the work on conformance testing. There are two artefacts: A conformance spreadsheet that an organisation can use to assess their level of conformance against PEMC: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kxUWyCnL-KKGBVzDsvLMujmDM7ItEPtlGs5… A companion document to provide documentation to support organisations that may be self assessing against the standard: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sDS2F7ndtGnc1jFY4yIfvsdpai1Y5s9ZFfFCVX5… I strongly encourage work group members to attend the call on the 30th to help lay out the work and identify any issues. Have a better than expected day, John Wunderlich “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France Calendly: https://calendly.com/privacycdn LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/privacycdn/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/privacycdn.bsky.social Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@PrivacyCDN Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivacyCDN -- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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