RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Feb 20, at 1 PM ET Status of Kantara publication document template?
*RIUP's 1st/3rd Tuesday Meeting Link:* https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87499194761?pwd=cmhDTHBXV2VTbFBMZzllMlZVbnFoZz09 Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 *Passcode: 837815* Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 Passcode: 837815 You might recall last week that Noreen sent our WG this message with a link (below) to the *Vinton Cerf* article *Validating Factual Personal Information. In addition to this article, Noreen, Jorge and Tom *shared some* FNO* (first name only) thoughts and comments and Tom followed that with a bit of text in the link below. *Side note*: I am hopeful my dentist will see me tomorrow PM, thanks to a chipped tooth, I would be dropping off the call and Justin, Vice Chair, would be carry the discussion forward with Noreen and Tom. May all have a restful night, Jim *From Noreen*:Vint Cerf seems to be hinting toward the process we are working on in PEMC, MAAS and RIUP, only he doesn’t mention “mobile” or “wallet”. It seems like what he is describing for the most part already exists. But duplicates the problem of storing data in a browser or at the verifier. He does mention a registry several times. https://m-cacm.acm.org/magazines/2024/2/279540-validating-factual-personal-i... The Naming of People ( tried to capture the issue here - our industry is making the problem worse. ..tom) Innovation has applied to Identifiers <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Identifier> applied to people. In Roman times, the family name (gens) was important, in Ancient Israel it was the tribal association. In western land the patronym became common. In Spain the matronym as added after the patronym. The Picts of Scotland used just the matronym. Confusion was crated when the location of these surnames turned out to very different in different part of the world. In 2024 we are still trying to reconcile these traditions with technology. 1. Dissolution of Monasteries: Henry VIII dissolved numerous monasteries and convents as part of the English Reformation. These religious institutions had often been centers of education, record-keeping, and administration. With their dissolution, many records were lost, including those containing information about lineage and family names. 2. Land Ownership and Taxation: As part of his reforms, Henry implemented a system of land ownership and taxation. To efficiently collect taxes and administer land, it became essential to have clear identification of individuals. Surnames played a crucial role in this process. 3. Formation of Parish Registers: The dissolution of monasteries also led to the establishment of parish registers. These registers recorded baptisms, marriages, and burials within parishes. Surnames were used to distinguish individuals, especially in densely populated areas. 4. Standardization and Legal Documentation: Henry’s government emphasized the need for standardized legal documentation. Surnames facilitated legal transactions, inheritance, and property rights. People began adopting fixed family names, which were passed down through generations. 5. Social Mobility and Identity: The use of surnames allowed for greater social mobility. Individuals could establish their identity beyond their occupation or location. It also provided a sense of belonging and lineage While Henry VIII didn’t explicitly demand the use of surnames, his policies indirectly encouraged their adoption. The dissolution of monasteries, administrative reforms, and the need for clear identification all contributed to the widespread use of surnames in England. Technology Unfortunately technology is created mostly in European-originated countries so we have absurdities like the following which mixes the idea of Surname (a logical type) with Firstname (a position type). Clearly this is an absurdity brought about by chauvinistic attitudes by developers.[1] <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Innovation#cite_note-1> "familyName": "Castafiori", "firstName": "Bianca", Be well! J
Notes are now published. Feel free to edit or add to dos. On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 6:01 PM jim kragh <kragh65@gmail.com> wrote:
*RIUP's 1st/3rd Tuesday Meeting Link:* https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87499194761?pwd=cmhDTHBXV2VTbFBMZzllMlZVbnFoZz09
Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 *Passcode: 837815*
Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 Passcode: 837815
You might recall last week that Noreen sent our WG this message with a link (below) to the *Vinton Cerf* article *Validating Factual Personal Information. In addition to this article, Noreen, Jorge and Tom *shared some* FNO* (first name only) thoughts and comments and Tom followed that with a bit of text in the link below. *Side note*: I am hopeful my dentist will see me tomorrow PM, thanks to a chipped tooth, I would be dropping off the call and Justin, Vice Chair, would be carry the discussion forward with Noreen and Tom. May all have a restful night, Jim
*From Noreen*:Vint Cerf seems to be hinting toward the process we are working on in PEMC, MAAS and RIUP, only he doesn’t mention “mobile” or “wallet”. It seems like what he is describing for the most part already exists. But duplicates the problem of storing data in a browser or at the verifier. He does mention a registry several times.
https://m-cacm.acm.org/magazines/2024/2/279540-validating-factual-personal-i...
The Naming of People ( tried to capture the issue here - our industry is making the problem worse. ..tom)
Innovation has applied to Identifiers <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Identifier> applied to people. In Roman times, the family name (gens) was important, in Ancient Israel it was the tribal association. In western land the patronym became common. In Spain the matronym as added after the patronym. The Picts of Scotland used just the matronym. Confusion was crated when the location of these surnames turned out to very different in different part of the world. In 2024 we are still trying to reconcile these traditions with technology.
1. Dissolution of Monasteries: Henry VIII dissolved numerous monasteries and convents as part of the English Reformation. These religious institutions had often been centers of education, record-keeping, and administration. With their dissolution, many records were lost, including those containing information about lineage and family names. 2. Land Ownership and Taxation: As part of his reforms, Henry implemented a system of land ownership and taxation. To efficiently collect taxes and administer land, it became essential to have clear identification of individuals. Surnames played a crucial role in this process. 3. Formation of Parish Registers: The dissolution of monasteries also led to the establishment of parish registers. These registers recorded baptisms, marriages, and burials within parishes. Surnames were used to distinguish individuals, especially in densely populated areas. 4. Standardization and Legal Documentation: Henry’s government emphasized the need for standardized legal documentation. Surnames facilitated legal transactions, inheritance, and property rights. People began adopting fixed family names, which were passed down through generations. 5. Social Mobility and Identity: The use of surnames allowed for greater social mobility. Individuals could establish their identity beyond their occupation or location. It also provided a sense of belonging and lineage
While Henry VIII didn’t explicitly demand the use of surnames, his policies indirectly encouraged their adoption. The dissolution of monasteries, administrative reforms, and the need for clear identification all contributed to the widespread use of surnames in England. Technology
Unfortunately technology is created mostly in European-originated countries so we have absurdities like the following which mixes the idea of Surname (a logical type) with Firstname (a position type). Clearly this is an absurdity brought about by chauvinistic attitudes by developers.[1] <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Innovation#cite_note-1>
"familyName": "Castafiori", "firstName": "Bianca",
Be well! J
-- Noreen Whysel nwhysel@gmail.com http://www.whysel.com
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