Hi again. I've had to go do other stuff and have only just now been able to try again. It appears as though the teleconference has concluded. Could I just say that an 8am start here is an early, though still comfortable time time to start these things. Although one can't select an appropriate time for everyone else in the world, a future start time of 1pm US west coast would normally suit me. Enjoy your day wherever you are. Owen. -- Clique Space(TM). Practical, Ubiquitous, and Individual Security and Identity in Cyberspace. Research paper on Clique Space: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1714848 Owen's Garden of Thought: http://owenpaulthomas.blogspot.com/ Clique Space(TM) Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=81335296379 www.cliquespace.net Skype: owen.paul.thomas Phone: +61 401 493 433