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Rob Marano

11 Jan 2011 11 Jan '11

1:39 p.m.

Hey Guys, Hope this finds you all well... Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004... Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this... This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara... I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?" Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time."

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Walsh, Alan J

11 Jan 11 Jan

1:58 p.m.

New subject: White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

There was a conference call yesterday to discuss, and another one is planned for Wednesday I believe. See this page for notes from the first call and details about the next one: http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC -Alan From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Rob Marano Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:39 PM To: community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program Hey Guys, Hope this finds you all well... Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004... Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this... This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara... I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?" Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.commailto:robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time."

Mary Ruddy

3:12 p.m.

New subject: NSTIC - notes from Monday's call and Information for Wednesday's call at 1:00 PT, 4:00 ET

Yes, the notes from Monday's call are now available at http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_10_Call The top http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC link has been organized into pages. The next call is Wednesday at 1:00 ET, 4:00 PT. See http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_12_Call for dial-in details and preliminary agenda. Due to the great interest in this topic, the capacity of the call bridge has been doubled! From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Walsh, Alan J Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:58 PM To: Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program There was a conference call yesterday to discuss, and another one is planned for Wednesday I believe. See this page for notes from the first call and details about the next one: http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC -Alan From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Rob Marano Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:39 PM To: community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program Hey Guys, Hope this finds you all well... Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004 37/index.html Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this... This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara... I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?" Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time." _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3373 - Release Date: 01/11/11

Drummond Reed

11:18 p.m.

New subject: NSTIC - notes from Monday's call and Information for Wednesday's call at 1:00 PT, 4:00 ET

Mary, Thanks so much for posting the notes. I assume you meant that Wednesday's call will be at 1PM PT, 4PM ET. Unfortunately I have a conflict at that exact time and can't attend for at least 30 minutes. I'll try to join as soon as my meeting is over. Thanks, =Drummond On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Mary Ruddy wrote:

...

Yes, the notes from Monday’s call are now available at http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_10_Call

The top http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC link has been organized into pages.

The next call is Wednesday at 1:00 ET, 4:00 PT.

See http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_12_Call for dial-in details and preliminary agenda.

Due to the great interest in this topic, the capacity of the call bridge has been doubled!

*From:* community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Walsh, Alan J *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:58 PM *To:* Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org *Subject:* Re: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

There was a conference call yesterday to discuss, and another one is planned for Wednesday I believe. See this page for notes from the first call and details about the next one:

http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC

-Alan

*From:* community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Rob Marano *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:39 PM *To:* community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org *Subject:* [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

Hey Guys,

Hope this finds you all well...

Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004...

Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this...

This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara...

I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?"

Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time." ------------------------------

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Mary Ruddy

12 Jan 12 Jan

7:45 a.m.

New subject: NSTIC - notes from Monday's call and Information for Wednesday's call at 1:00 PT, 4:00 ET

Drummond, Yes, 1:00 PM PT and 4:00 PM ET. Please join us when you can. -Mary From: drummond.reed@gmail.com [mailto:drummond.reed@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Drummond Reed Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:19 PM To: Mary Ruddy Cc: Walsh, Alan J; Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] NSTIC - notes from Monday's call and Information for Wednesday's call at 1:00 PT, 4:00 ET Mary, Thanks so much for posting the notes. I assume you meant that Wednesday's call will be at 1PM PT, 4PM ET. Unfortunately I have a conflict at that exact time and can't attend for at least 30 minutes. I'll try to join as soon as my meeting is over. Thanks, =Drummond On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Mary Ruddy wrote: Yes, the notes from Monday's call are now available at http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_10_Call The top http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC link has been organized into pages. The next call is Wednesday at 1:00 ET, 4:00 PT. See http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_12_Call for dial-in details and preliminary agenda. Due to the great interest in this topic, the capacity of the call bridge has been doubled! From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Walsh, Alan J Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:58 PM To: Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program There was a conference call yesterday to discuss, and another one is planned for Wednesday I believe. See this page for notes from the first call and details about the next one: http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC -Alan From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Rob Marano Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:39 PM To: community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program Hey Guys, Hope this finds you all well... Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004 37/index.html Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this... This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara... I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?" Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time." _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3373 - Release Date: 01/11/11 _______________________________________________ Community mailing list Community@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/community _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3373 - Release Date: 01/11/11

Tony Rutkowski

8:43 a.m.

New subject: an interesting question

The treatment of personal IdM in the U.S. is shaped in substantial measure by a messaging by the media and lobbying community that conveys a hostility to government - some of it extreme - where the government is always painted in negative terms. It is a perspective almost unknown elsewhere in the world. That perspective is reflected in some of the NSTIC dialogue last week. Has the calculus changed by recent events? --amr

Kaliya

3:53 p.m.

New subject: NSTIC - notes from Monday's call and Information for Wednesday's call at 1:00 PT, 4:00 ET

Looking forward to the call. We have organized a dinner on Monday night in DC to support networking around this issue. http://iddinnerdc.eventbrite.com/ There are some meetings Tuesday as well http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1175506973/ http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1176327427/ We think it makes sense to support a list for those who want to continue to play close attention and collaborate as a community around NSTIC as it moves forward to the announcement. Do people agree? I mean if "everyone" on the community lists wants to keep hearing about this stuff we can keep chatting here. See you in 5! -Kaliya On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Mary Ruddy wrote:

...

Yes, the notes from Monday’s call are now available at http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_10_Call The top http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC link has been organized into pages.

The next call is Wednesday at 1:00 ET, 4:00 PT. See http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_12_Call for dial-in details and preliminary agenda. Due to the great interest in this topic, the capacity of the call bridge has been doubled!

From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org ] On Behalf Of Walsh, Alan J Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:58 PM To: Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

There was a conference call yesterday to discuss, and another one is planned for Wednesday I believe. See this page for notes from the first call and details about the next one:

http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC

-Alan

From: community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org ] On Behalf Of Rob Marano Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:39 PM To: community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org Subject: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

Hey Guys,

Hope this finds you all well...

Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYIhttp://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004...

Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this...

This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara...

I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?"

Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time." No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3373 - Release Date: 01/11/11

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Drummond Reed

8:05 p.m.

New subject: NSTIC - notes from Monday's call and Information for Wednesday's call at 1:00 PT, 4:00 ET

Kaliya, so far I see no objection to continuing discussion of NSTIC on this community list. As a potential piece of identity infrastructure, it seems to be of significant interest to most of us on the list. Just my .02, =Drummond On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Kaliya wrote:

...

Looking forward to the call.

We have organized a dinner on Monday night in DC to support networking around this issue. http://iddinnerdc.eventbrite.com/

There are some meetings Tuesday as well http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1175506973/ http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1176327427/

We think it makes sense to support a list for those who want to continue to play close attention and collaborate as a community around NSTIC as it moves forward to the announcement. Do people agree? I mean if "everyone" on the community lists wants to keep hearing about this stuff we can keep chatting here.

See you in 5! -Kaliya

On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Mary Ruddy wrote:

Yes, the notes from Monday’s call are now available at http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_10_Call The top http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC link has been organized into pages.

The next call is Wednesday at 1:00 ET, 4:00 PT. See http://wiki.idcommons.net/Jan_12_Call for dial-in details and preliminary agenda. Due to the great interest in this topic, the capacity of the call bridge has been doubled!

*From:* community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [ mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org ] *On Behalf Of *Walsh, Alan J *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:58 PM *To:* Rob Marano; community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org *Subject:* Re: [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

There was a conference call yesterday to discuss, and another one is planned for Wednesday I believe. See this page for notes from the first call and details about the next one:

http://wiki.idcommons.net/NSTIC

-Alan

*From:* community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [ mailto:community-bounces@kantarainitiative.org ] *On Behalf Of *Rob Marano *Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:39 PM *To:* community@lists.idcommons.net; community@kantarainitiative.org *Subject:* [Kantara - Community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

Hey Guys,

Hope this finds you all well...

Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004...

Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this...

This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara...

I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?"

Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time." ------------------------------

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Thor Wolpert

11 Jan 11 Jan

3:24 p.m.

New subject: [community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

There are discussions and meeting on the go right now. Of interest is also the privacy take on it http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/99302/20110110/online-id-could-make-us-less-... On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Rob Marano wrote:

...

Hey Guys,

Hope this finds you all well...

Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004...

Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this...

This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara...

I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?"

Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time."

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L Jean Camp

12 Jan 12 Jan

8:50 a.m.

New subject: [community] White House Advances "Trusted Identities" Program

The US Gov't is getting involved in such a manner at to have public and citizens bear the risk while industry is able to profit. It will make the removal of Glass-Steagal look like a brilliant move. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Rob Marano wrote:

...

Hey Guys,

Hope this finds you all well...

Have you heard about this "Trusted Identities" program? FYI http://www.darkreading.com/authentication/167901072/security/privacy/2290004...

Since I had not seen anyone comment or raise this in our group, I wanted to reach out and get the collective opinion of this...

This sounds very much like what we were up to in the Liberty Alliance Program, now Kantara...

I am not really sure what/why the US Govt is trying to do here given that the industry is already working to do this, and have been for quite a while. Are they going to "choose" one system and mandate it within its physical borders? Is this a mess waiting to happen or can it ever be "real, effective, and scaleable?"

Inquiring minds need to know. -- Rob Marano (E) robmarano@gmail.com Arnold H. Glasow - "Success is simple. Do what's right, the right way, at the right time."

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Rob Marano
Thor Wolpert
Tony Rutkowski
Walsh, Alan J