Terminology discussion

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Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de

31 Jan 2014 31 Jan '14

3:40 p.m.

Dear All, Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network. A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated. What do you think? Best, Ingo

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Andrew Hughes

31 Jan 31 Jan

8:31 p.m.

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion. Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups. Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects... Andrew. On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote:

...

Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data.

This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone.

So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best,

Ingo

-- *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *

Salvatore D'Agostino

9:59 p.m.

+1 Andrew, https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w ithin+the+Internet+of+Things "The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web. Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in the Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again." Agree we dont need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-) So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further. I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section). From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion. Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups. Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects... Andrew. On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All, Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. Id like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This intelligence could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So Id like to add an IoT instance in the network. A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated. What do you think? Best, Ingo -- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

Ingo Friese

1 Feb 1 Feb

8:31 a.m.

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology? Ingo

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Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in the Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don’t need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I’d like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This “intelligence” could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I’d like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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Andrew Hughes

5:38 p.m.

Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use? I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable. Thoughts? Andrew On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote:

...

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" < sal@idmachines.com javascript:;>:

+1 Andrew,

...
ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...
Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org javascript:; [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org javascript:;] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de javascript:; Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org javascript:; Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...
terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, javascript:;> wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com javascript:; ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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Andrew Hughes

6:22 p.m.

These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought. If these are not of use, please disregard http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702 On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote:

...

Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan

Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use?

I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable.

Thoughts? Andrew

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ingo.friese@gmail.com');> wrote:

...
Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" < sal@idmachines.com>:

+1 Andrew,

...
ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in the Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w this

...
model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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Salvatore D'Agostino

3 Feb 3 Feb

4:14 a.m.

I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingos comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless lets consider; http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support /pages/glossary.aspx http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html IEC 61850 on electric substations for starters of the top of my head, I will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki and please others on list contribute. Regards, Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought. If these are not of use, please disregard http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702 On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use? I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable. Thoughts? Andrew On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology? Ingo

...

Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...

ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...

Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we dont need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...

terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. Id like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This intelligence could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So Id like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security -- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

Ingo.Friese＠telekom.de

3:16 p.m.

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea. For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g. http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal! Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific. Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology. On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to 5 terms we have to start with. Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT. Ingo -----Original Message----- From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15 To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese' Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingo's comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless let's consider; http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support /pages/glossary.aspx http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki and please others on list contribute. Regards, Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought. If these are not of use, please disregard http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702 On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use? I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable. Thoughts? Andrew On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology? Ingo

...

Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...

ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...

Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...

terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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Andrew Hughes

3:46 p.m.

OK - I'll get something set up based on what's there - don't wait for me! I'll be using Protege.stanford.edu andrew. *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:16 AM, wrote:

...

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea.

For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g. http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal!

Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific. Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology. On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to 5 terms we have to start with. Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT.

Ingo

-----Original Message----- From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15 To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese' Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingo's comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless let's consider;

http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology

http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support /pages/glossary.aspx

http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx

http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html

IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki

and please others on list contribute.

Regards,

Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought.

If these are not of use, please disregard

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan

Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use?

I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable.

Thoughts? Andrew

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...
ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...
Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...
terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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j stollman

6:23 p.m.

I have a request for the group. I am sure that I am not unique in having very little free time to devote to *pro bono* activities such as IDoT. I may be unique in being a particularly slow reader. When I get a note that provides a bunch of links, I glaze over at the prospect of having been given a large reading assignment. It would be helpful to me -- and, hopefully, to others, if contributors would provide some brief summary of each link so that we have a basis to prioritize which ones we read and which ones we don't. I recognize that this adds a burden to the contributor. But, if I am not alone in my perspective, it may be of overall benefit to the group. Thank you. Jeff On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Hughes wrote:

...

OK - I'll get something set up based on what's there - don't wait for me!

I'll be using Protege.stanford.edu

andrew.

*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*

+1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:16 AM, wrote:

...
Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea.

For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g. http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal!

Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific. Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology. On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to 5 terms we have to start with. Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT.

Ingo

-----Original Message----- From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15 To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese' Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingo's comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless let's consider;

http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology

http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support /pages/glossary.aspxhttp://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support...

http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx

http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html

IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki

and please others on list contribute.

Regards,

Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought.

If these are not of use, please disregard

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan

Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use?

I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable.

Thoughts? Andrew

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...
ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...
Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

...
terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the this

...
model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

_______________________________________________ DG-IDoT mailing list DG-IDoT@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idot

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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-- Jeff Stollman stollman.j@gmail.com 1 202.683.8699 Truth never triumphs -- its opponents just die out. Science advances one funeral at a time. Max Planck

Salvatore D'Agostino

7 Feb 7 Feb

2:45 p.m.

Jeff, These are a limited number of examples, I picked EU, vendor (Matrikon (Honeywell) and Siemens ) and the IEC on purpose so as not to require a lot of viewing and getting some cross sections to the list from time to time. I am sympathetic to the big link dump, unfun as you point out, sorry if this came across that way. Andrew, please pass on the protégé link when it makes sense, there is also an attribute description there from Keith Hazelton there. Ingo to your point about sensor, actuator, gateway. There are a few different ways this gets implemented depending on the intelligence in the sensor or gateway Here are some GE, Cisco and Qualcomm pictures that look at this a higher and lower views (GE and Cisco up a level, Qualcomm showing the circuit board to support this I attached the related cut sheet <- talked about this with Paul M on the list). Figured we might discuss this today. Regards Sal cid:image005.png@01CF21BA.2A205770 From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of j stollman Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:23 PM To: Andrew Hughes Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion I have a request for the group. I am sure that I am not unique in having very little free time to devote to pro bono activities such as IDoT. I may be unique in being a particularly slow reader. When I get a note that provides a bunch of links, I glaze over at the prospect of having been given a large reading assignment. It would be helpful to me -- and, hopefully, to others, if contributors would provide some brief summary of each link so that we have a basis to prioritize which ones we read and which ones we don't. I recognize that this adds a burden to the contributor. But, if I am not alone in my perspective, it may be of overall benefit to the group. Thank you. Jeff On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Hughes wrote: OK - I'll get something set up based on what's there - don't wait for me! I'll be using Protege.stanford.edu andrew. Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:16 AM, wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea. For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g. http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal! Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific. Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology. On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to 5 terms we have to start with. Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT. Ingo -----Original Message----- From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15 To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese' Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingo's comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless let's consider; http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support <http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/suppor t/pages/glossary.aspx> /pages/glossary.aspx http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki and please others on list contribute. Regards, Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought. If these are not of use, please disregard http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702 On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use? I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable. Thoughts? Andrew On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology? Ingo

...

Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...

ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...

Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...

terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

_______________________________________________ DG-IDoT mailing list DG-IDoT@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idot

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security -- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security _______________________________________________ DG-IDoT mailing list DG-IDoT@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idot -- Jeff Stollman stollman.j@gmail.com 1 202.683.8699 Truth never triumphs its opponents just die out. Science advances one funeral at a time. Max Planck

Salvatore D'Agostino

3:08 p.m.

From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:45 AM To: 'j stollman'; 'Andrew Hughes' Cc: 'dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org' Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion Jeff, These are a limited number of examples, I picked EU, vendor (Matrikon (Honeywell) and Siemens ) and the IEC on purpose so as not to require a lot of viewing and getting some cross sections to the list from time to time. I am sympathetic to the big link dump, unfun as you point out, sorry if this came across that way. Andrew, please pass on the protégé link when it makes sense, there is also an attribute description there from Keith Hazelton there. Ingo to your point about sensor, actuator, gateway. There are a few different ways this gets implemented depending on the intelligence in the sensor or gateway Here are some GE, Cisco and Qualcomm pictures that look at this a higher and lower views (GE and Cisco up a level, Qualcomm showing the circuit board to support this I attached the related cut sheet <- talked about this with Paul M on the list). Figured we might discuss this today. Regards Sal cid:image005.png@01CF21BA.2A205770 From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of j stollman Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:23 PM To: Andrew Hughes Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion I have a request for the group. I am sure that I am not unique in having very little free time to devote to pro bono activities such as IDoT. I may be unique in being a particularly slow reader. When I get a note that provides a bunch of links, I glaze over at the prospect of having been given a large reading assignment. It would be helpful to me -- and, hopefully, to others, if contributors would provide some brief summary of each link so that we have a basis to prioritize which ones we read and which ones we don't. I recognize that this adds a burden to the contributor. But, if I am not alone in my perspective, it may be of overall benefit to the group. Thank you. Jeff On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Hughes wrote: OK - I'll get something set up based on what's there - don't wait for me! I'll be using Protege.stanford.edu andrew. Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:16 AM, wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea. For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g. http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal! Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific. Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology. On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to 5 terms we have to start with. Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT. Ingo -----Original Message----- From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15 To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese' Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingo's comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless let's consider; http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support <http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/suppor t/pages/glossary.aspx> /pages/glossary.aspx http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki and please others on list contribute. Regards, Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought. If these are not of use, please disregard http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702 On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use? I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable. Thoughts? Andrew On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal, I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology? Ingo

...

Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...

ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...

Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...

terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

-- Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

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Scott Shorter

5:07 p.m.

Hi all, I updated the paragraph we discussed, hope it's clearer now. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Salvatore D'Agostino wrote:

...

*From:* Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 07, 2014 9:45 AM *To:* 'j stollman'; 'Andrew Hughes' *Cc:* 'dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org'

*Subject:* RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Jeff,

These are a limited number of examples, I picked EU, vendor (Matrikon (Honeywell) and Siemens ) and the IEC on purpose so as not to require a lot of viewing and getting some cross sections to the list from time to time. I am sympathetic to the big link dump, unfun as you point out, sorry if this came across that way.

Andrew, please pass on the protégé link when it makes sense, there is also an attribute description there from Keith Hazelton there.

Ingo to your point about sensor, actuator, gateway. There are a few different ways this gets implemented depending on the intelligence in the sensor or gateway Here are some GE, Cisco and Qualcomm pictures that look at this a higher and lower views (GE and Cisco up a level, Qualcomm showing the circuit board to support this - I attached the related cut sheet <- talked about this with Paul M on the list). Figured we might discuss this today. Regards Sal

[image: cid:image005.png@01CF21BA.2A205770]

*From:* dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [ mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *j stollman *Sent:* Monday, February 03, 2014 1:23 PM *To:* Andrew Hughes

*Cc:* dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org *Subject:* Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

I have a request for the group.

I am sure that I am not unique in having very little free time to devote to *pro bono* activities such as IDoT. I may be unique in being a particularly slow reader. When I get a note that provides a bunch of links, I glaze over at the prospect of having been given a large reading assignment. It would be helpful to me -- and, hopefully, to others, if contributors would provide some brief summary of each link so that we have a basis to prioritize which ones we read and which ones we don't. I recognize that this adds a burden to the contributor. But, if I am not alone in my perspective, it may be of overall benefit to the group.

Thank you.

Jeff

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Andrew Hughes wrote:

OK - I'll get something set up based on what's there - don't wait for me!

I'll be using Protege.stanford.edu

andrew.

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On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:16 AM, wrote:

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

Andrew, an OWL for the IDoT would be great. Very good idea.

For the beginning we have few terms from existing terminologies (e.g. http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology). Thanks Sal!

Here we have a for example a reference to: Sensor, Actuator and Gateway But at other points all these resources are rather unspecific. Here we have to find/discuss an appropriate terminology. On the other hand we do not have to define everything. I see maximum 3 to 5 terms we have to start with. Then we can describe already a lot of identity concepts around IoT.

Ingo

-----Original Message----- From: Salvatore D'Agostino [mailto:sal@idmachines.com] Sent: Montag, 3. Februar 2014 05:15 To: 'Andrew Hughes'; 'Ingo Friese' Cc: Friese, Ingo; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

I think I put a few of these out to the thread. I appreciate Ingo's comments in that the identities perspective may not be well covered nonetheless let's consider;

http://www.iot-a.eu/public/terminology

http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/industrial-security/support /pages/glossary.aspx

http://www.matrikonopc.com/resources/dictionary.aspx

http://www.psialliance.org/AreaControlOverview.html

IEC 61850 on electric substations. for starters of the top of my head, I

will dive in further, I will put these in a resources page on the wiki

and please others on list contribute.

Regards,

Sal From: Andrew Hughes [mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 1:23 PM To: Ingo Friese Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino; ; dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

These articles are from a quick google search - I only read the abstracts so cannot comment on content. Just food for thought.

If these are not of use, please disregard

http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2093193 http://www.semantic-web-journal.net/sites/default/files/swj247_0.pdf http://semanticweb.com/34702_b34702

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Andrew Hughes wrote: Hi Ingo - I agree, and wasn't aware you had done the scan

Does anyone have thoughts about creating an ontology for this and publishing it for anyone to use?

I want to / need to learn OWL in the next couple months and am willing to create this in parallel to this group. Parallel so I don't hinder your progress. This seems to be small enough scope to be manageable.

Thoughts? Andrew

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Ingo Friese wrote: Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

...
ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in

...
Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w the the

...
terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

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Colin Wallis

8 Sep 8 Sep

7:32 p.m.

This is where I start... https://www.iso.org/obp CheersColin

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From: ingo.friese@gmail.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 09:31:31 +0100 To: sal@idmachines.com CC: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in the Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don’t need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I’d like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This “intelligence” could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I’d like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

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9 Sep 9 Sep

11:07 a.m.

New subject: Take2: Re:Terminology discussion

..and this one... http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/secure.htm From: colin_wallis@hotmail.com To: ingo.friese@gmail.com; sal@idmachines.com CC: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:32:22 +1200 This is where I start... https://www.iso.org/obp Cheers Colin

...

From: ingo.friese@gmail.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 09:31:31 +0100 To: sal@idmachines.com CC: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" :

+1 Andrew,

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in the Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don’t need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I’d like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This “intelligence” could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I’d like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

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11:58 a.m.

New subject: Take2: Re:Terminology discussion

Wow...that's really much!! A good source....Thanks! From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Colin Wallis Sent: Dienstag, 9. September 2014 13:08 To: Ingo Friese; Sal Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: [DG-IDoT] Take2: Re:Terminology discussion ..and this one... http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/secure.htm ________________________________ From: colin_wallis@hotmail.commailto:colin_wallis@hotmail.com To: ingo.friese@gmail.commailto:ingo.friese@gmail.com; sal@idmachines.commailto:sal@idmachines.com CC: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.orgmailto:dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: RE: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:32:22 +1200 This is where I start... https://www.iso.org/obp Cheers Colin

...

From: ingo.friese@gmail.commailto:ingo.friese@gmail.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 09:31:31 +0100 To: sal@idmachines.commailto:sal@idmachines.com CC: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.orgmailto:dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Andrew, Hi Sal,

I think the terminology is just a pre condition for discussing Identity concepts. If there are already defined and widely terms...lets use them. I had a Look in different SDOs but I'havent found really good fitting stuff here. Do You know a good Source for terminology?

Ingo

...
Am 31.01.2014 um 22:59 schrieb "Salvatore D'Agostino" mailto:sal@idmachines.com>:

+1 Andrew,

https://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/IDoT/Concepts+of+Identity+w ithin+the+Internet+of+Things

"The purpose of this paper is to describe identity concepts in the Internet of Things. Identity mechanisms in the Internet of Things are different from those in the classic web.

Furthermore this paper proposes a terminology for Identity management in the Internet of Things. This should help to facilitate discussions and work in this area without the need to define basic terms again."

Agree we don't need to propose a terminology. Trying to wean any conversation about terminology out of my existence in fact ;-)

So maybe we can work on the abstract text before we go any further.

I like wading into identifiers as Scott has done. (I just trimmed a sentence and would like to talk more about this section).

From: dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.orgmailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idot-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hughes Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:31 PM To: Ingo.Friese@telekom.demailto:Ingo.Friese@telekom.de Cc: dg-idot@kantarainitiative.orgmailto:dg-idot@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [DG-IDoT] Terminology discussion

Hi Ingo - I'm lurking on the list so have probably missed the context if the terminology discussion.

Having just experienced a couple of drawn out vocabulary working groups, I am wondering why IDoT is not attempting to simply adopt a vocabulary/ontology/list of terms from any of the IoT specific groups.

Then, the focus here could be extensions to deal with the ID aspects...

Andrew.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, mailto:Ingo.Friese@telekom.de> wrote: Dear All,

Jeff started with Sensor, Actuator and Processor. I'd like to extend this model a bit. Because I think the processor could be either near to the actuator (e.g. the processor in a house regulates the heating because of sensor data. This "intelligence" could also be somewhere in the cloud/internet. The processor could be a service on a server somewhere or and app on a smartphone. So I'd like to add an IoT instance in the network.

A second point are intermediates or gateways (names are to be discussed). Because many solutions have one or more instances between sensor/actuator an the service in the cloud. Here e.g. several sensors are concentrated.

What do you think?

Best, Ingo

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