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Ian Glazer

20 Oct 2016 20 Oct '16

12:08 p.m.

"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer

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Andrew Hughes

20 Oct 20 Oct

2:23 p.m.

- General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. - Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? - The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. - All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work? *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer wrote:

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"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”

-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

Andrew Hindle

25 Oct 25 Oct

7:01 a.m.

I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly. --&e On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes wrote:

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- General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. - Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? - The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. - All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations

Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?

*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*

o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer wrote:

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"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”

-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543 -- ------------------------------ Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK.

Chris Adriaensen

26 Oct 26 Oct

6:08 p.m.

Perhaps something like “intents to capture and help shape the profession”? Chris

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On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:01, Andrew Hindle wrote:

I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly.

--&e

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote: General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?

Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting

o +1 650.209.7542 tel:%2B1%20650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote: "The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”

-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

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-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543

Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK. _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

Patrick Essien

27 Oct 27 Oct

7:54 a.m.

Hi I have a problem with Ian Glazer's definition - it sounds like limiting the Kantara initiative to just a body of individuals, i believe in the long run, the initiative should have provisions for organizations and governments (at different levels) active participation even in our core objectives On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:

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Perhaps something like “intents to capture and help shape the profession”? Chris

On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:01, Andrew Hindle wrote:

I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly.

--&e

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes
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wrote:

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- General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. - Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? - The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. - All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations

Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?

*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*

o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer wrote:

...
"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”

-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543

------------------------------ Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK. _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

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Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH]

3 Nov 3 Nov

6:25 p.m.

I agree to strike ' defines' and concentrate on the 'promotion' of Identity Management best practices, eg: "The organization promotes a global profession of individuals and organizations involved in ensuring digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices" thx, Thorsten On 27.10.2016 12:54, Patrick Essien wrote:

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Hi

I have a problem with Ian Glazer's definition - it sounds like limiting the Kantara initiative to just a body of individuals, i believe in the long run, the initiative should have provisions for organizations and governments (at different levels) active participation even in our core objectives

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Chris Adriaensen mailto:chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:

Perhaps something like “intents to capture and help shape the profession”? Chris

...
On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:01, Andrew Hindle mailto:andrew@hindleconsulting.com> wrote:

I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly.

--&e

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:

* General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. * Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? * The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. * All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations

Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?

*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*

o +1 650.209.7542 tel:%2B1%20650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote:

"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”

-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK. _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro

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Andrew Hindle
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Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH]