Question 3 A Future of the OrgThread
"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer>
- General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. - Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? - The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. - All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work? *Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting* o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security * On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer <iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote:
"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer>
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I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly. --&e On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com> wrote:
- General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. - Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? - The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. - All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations
Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer <iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote:
"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543 -- ------------------------------ Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK.
Perhaps something like “intents to capture and help shape the profession”? Chris
On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:01, Andrew Hindle <andrew@hindleconsulting.com> wrote:
I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly.
--&e
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>> wrote: General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?
Andrew Hughes CISM CISSP Independent Consultant In Turn Information Management Consulting
o +1 650.209.7542 <tel:%2B1%20650.209.7542> m +1 250.888.9474 <tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474> 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com> ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ <http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/> Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer <iglazer@salesforce.com <mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com>> wrote: "The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 <tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166> @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer> _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro <http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro>
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-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543
Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK. _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
Hi I have a problem with Ian Glazer's definition - it sounds like limiting the Kantara initiative to just a body of individuals, i believe in the long run, the initiative should have provisions for organizations and governments (at different levels) active participation even in our core objectives On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Perhaps something like “intents to capture and help shape the profession”? Chris
On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:01, Andrew Hindle <andrew@hindleconsulting.com> wrote:
I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly.
--&e
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com
wrote:
- General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. - Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? - The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. - All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations
Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer <iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote:
"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543
------------------------------ Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK. _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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I agree to strike ' defines' and concentrate on the 'promotion' of Identity Management best practices, eg: "The organization promotes a global profession of individuals and organizations involved in ensuring digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices" thx, Thorsten On 27.10.2016 12:54, Patrick Essien wrote:
Hi
I have a problem with Ian Glazer's definition - it sounds like limiting the Kantara initiative to just a body of individuals, i believe in the long run, the initiative should have provisions for organizations and governments (at different levels) active participation even in our core objectives
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Chris Adriaensen <chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com <mailto:chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com>> wrote:
Perhaps something like “intents to capture and help shape the profession”? Chris
On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:01, Andrew Hindle <andrew@hindleconsulting.com <mailto:andrew@hindleconsulting.com>> wrote:
I think it works a lot better with 'defines' removed, certainly.
--&e
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Hughes <andrewhughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:andrewhughes3000@gmail.com>> wrote:
* General comments were that this statement is a reasonable statement of 'why' the organization should exist. * Discussion on the word 'defines' - does the ID Pro organization define the profession? or does it reflect what's out there? * The difficulty might be that this statement is too broad for _every_ practitioner out there - because if they don't join up to ID Pro, they are still practitioners. * All - to look for examples of how this is stated in other associations
Question: if we strike 'defines' does it work?
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 <tel:%2B1%20650.209.7542> m +1 250.888.9474 <tel:%2B1%20250.888.9474> 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com <mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com> ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ <http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/> *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer <iglazer@salesforce.com <mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com>> wrote:
"The organization defines, supports, promotes and improves the global profession of individuals involved in ensuring Digital Identities are professionally and ethically used and managed using secure, privacy-protecting and reliable practices.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 <tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166> @iglazer <https://twitter.com/iglazer>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro <http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro>
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-- Andrew Hindle Hindle Consulting Limited +44 7966 136543
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hindle Consulting Limited is a company registered in England and Wales. Company number: 8888564. Registered office: Claremont House, Deans Court, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX26 6BW, UK. _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro <http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro>
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Andrew Hindle -
Andrew Hughes -
Chris Adriaensen -
Ian Glazer -
Patrick Essien -
Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH]