Question 3 B Mission Statement Thread
"To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
An on-the-fly suggested version:
*"T**o advance the practice and profession of digital identity to enhance
the delivery of services and products enabled by identity**"*
- there was question originally around 'trust' vs 'confidence' which has
morphed into 'enhance the delivery'
- to avoid an incomplete list, shortened to 'digital identity'
Andrew's revised proposal:
(The ID Pro association exists...)
"To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals
in order to enhance delivery of identity-enabled services and products."
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP
Independent Consultant
*In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542
m +1 250.888.9474
1249 Palmer Road,
Victoria, BC V8P 2H8
AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com
ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/
*Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer
"To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
re trust: I think a level of 'confidence' is required for 'trust': so trust is the stronger one (although I agree that this one is overloaded) and on the 'task for all' (should we open a new thread for this?) A good overview on potential associations with 'missions' to check: http://cybersecurityventures.com/cybersecurity-associations/ And a really nice example on Vision (short), Mission (prio list), and 'values',that 'technique' to explain the 'Why' is worth a look: http://www.alsa.org/about-us/mission.html http://www.alsa.org/about-us/mission.html On 20.10.2016 19:29, Andrew Hughes wrote:
An on-the-fly suggested version:
*"T**o advance the practice and profession of digital identity to enhance the delivery of services and products enabled by identity**"*
* there was question originally around 'trust' vs 'confidence' which has morphed into 'enhance the delivery' * to avoid an incomplete list, shortened to 'digital identity'
Andrew's revised proposal: (The ID Pro association exists...) "To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance delivery of identity-enabled services and products."
*Andrew Hughes *CISM CISSP Independent Consultant *In Turn Information Management Consulting*
o +1 650.209.7542 m +1 250.888.9474 1249 Palmer Road, Victoria, BC V8P 2H8 AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com mailto:AndrewHughes3000@gmail.com ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-hughes/a/58/682/ *Identity Management | IT Governance | Information Security *
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ian Glazer
mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
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We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what
gets left out along the way over time.
Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
"To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778
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Hello All, Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly. I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth. 2 cents for consideration. thx On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen
mailto:chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote: IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
mailto:colin@kantarainitiative.org> wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
mailto:iglazer@salesforce.com> wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org mailto:DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 tel:+44%207490%20266778
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I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both: To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth. I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services. Ken On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jonibrennan@gmail.com');> wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com');> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','colin@kantarainitiative.org');> wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','iglazer@salesforce.com');> wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org'); http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
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-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree
with Andrew and Joni's points. How about:
(The ID Pro association exists...)
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital
identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities
strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire
Engage Identity
http://engageidentity.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both:
To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =)
Perhaps a shorter cut could be...
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital
identity services business, policy, and technology development"
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire
Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about:
(The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both:
To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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I like the shorter cut and suggest an even shorter sentence :)
By including "business, policy, and technology development" it seemed like
we were getting back to a list. It also sounds like we would be in the
business of being a standards group compared to championing best practices.
Instead of saying "product and services" I suggest a more generic term like
capabilities. To me, a consumer of Identity products and services, using
just those terms sounds like the group is only for individuals involved in
providing those products and services. Capabilities might not be the best
word but want to make sure the statement conveys that it is open to all
individuals that are building or using Identity services and products.
"To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital
identity capabilities."
David Treece
Costco Wholesale
IAM Enterprise Architect
(425) 416-2697
dtreece@costco.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Joni Brennan
Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =)
Perhaps a shorter cut could be...
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity services business, policy, and technology development"
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire
wrote: Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about:
(The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both:
To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:09 PM, David Treece
wrote: I like the shorter cut and suggest an even shorter sentence :)
By including "business, policy, and technology development" it seemed like we were getting back to a list. It also sounds like we would be in the business of being a standards group compared to championing best practices.
Instead of saying "product and services" I suggest a more generic term like capabilities. To me, a consumer of Identity products and services, using just those terms sounds like the group is only for individuals involved in providing those products and services. Capabilities might not be the best word but want to make sure the statement conveys that it is open to all individuals that are building or using Identity services and products.
"To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity capabilities."
David Treece Costco Wholesale IAM Enterprise Architect (425) 416-2697 dtreece@costco.com mailto:dtreece@costco.com On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Joni Brennan
mailto:jonibrennan@gmail.com> wrote: Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =) Perhaps a shorter cut could be...
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity services business, policy, and technology development"
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire
mailto:sarah@engageidentity.com> wrote: Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about: (The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com http://engageidentity.com/
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
mailto:kendaggtbs@gmail.com> wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both: To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen
mailto:chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote: Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/ On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
> wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen
> wrote: IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
> wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
> wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.” -- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 tel:%2B1%20202%20255%203166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer _______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org <> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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+1 to Joni's shorter cut
On Oct 27, 2016 9:30 AM, "Joni Brennan"
Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =)
Perhaps a shorter cut could be...
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity services business, policy, and technology development"
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire
wrote: Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about:
(The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both:
To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
wrote: "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in digital services.”
-- Ian Glazer Senior Director, Identity +1 202 255 3166 @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
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I like the direction of Joni's recommendation however I don't really like
the list. As well, I personally have a dislike of the word "capabilities".
To that end I'd like to propose the following:
To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of
the use of digital identity.
I believe that this encompasses both the use of digital identity in
products and services as well as aspects that deal with respecting privacy.
As well, I believe that it provides a focus on the why of digital identity
instead of just digital identity as something unto itself.
Ken
On Thursday, 27 October 2016, Sarah Squire
+1 to Joni's shorter cut
On Oct 27, 2016 9:30 AM, "Joni Brennan"
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jonibrennan@gmail.com');> wrote: Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =)
Perhaps a shorter cut could be...
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity services business, policy, and technology development"
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sarah@engageidentity.com');> wrote: Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about:
(The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kendaggtbs@gmail.com');> wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both:
To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com');> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the practice and profession surrounding that. Chris
On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
wrote: We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers of what gets left out along the way over time. Andrew's avoids that problem.
My 2c..
Cheers
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer
wrote: > "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, > authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in > digital services.” > > -- > Ian Glazer > Senior Director, Identity > +1 202 255 3166 > @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer > > _______________________________________________ > DG-IDPro mailing list > DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org > http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro > >
-- Executive Director Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778>
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-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kendaggtbs@gmail.com');
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I like that.
David Treece
Costco Wholesale
IAM Enterprise Architect
(425) 416-2697
dtreece@costco.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Ken Dagg
I like the direction of Joni's recommendation however I don't really like the list. As well, I personally have a dislike of the word "capabilities". To that end I'd like to propose the following:
To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of the use of digital identity.
I believe that this encompasses both the use of digital identity in products and services as well as aspects that deal with respecting privacy. As well, I believe that it provides a focus on the why of digital identity instead of just digital identity as something unto itself.
Ken
On Thursday, 27 October 2016, Sarah Squire
wrote: +1 to Joni's shorter cut
On Oct 27, 2016 9:30 AM, "Joni Brennan"
wrote: Yours is like a nice warm blanked Sarah. I like it =)
Perhaps a shorter cut could be...
"to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity services business, policy, and technology development"
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:02 AM Sarah Squire
wrote: Advancing the profession of professionals sounds a bit off. :) I do agree with Andrew and Joni's points. How about:
(The ID Pro association exists...) "to foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of digital identity so that services and products leveraging digital identities strengthen society and the global economy"
Sarah Squire Engage Identity http://engageidentity.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Ken Dagg
wrote: I like Andrew's suggestion but also wholeheartedly agree with Joni. Does the following incorporate both:
To advance the profession and practices of digital identity professionals in order to enhance economic and societal growth.
I would suggest that this encompasses the delivery of identity-enabled services and products but also accommodates things such as respecting the privacy of individuals which go beyond the delivery of products and services.
Ken
On Wednesday, 26 October 2016, Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
Agree with the need for ethical thinking in our domain - though ethics is often not black&white as it’s full of tough dilemma’s and shifts according to societal consensus - which also differs geographically. So as long as we promote ethical thinking and discussion but remain careful with stating consensus on topics we can make sure to be fully inclusive to the global community. To be clear, I’m all in favour for including it! https://summits.forgerock.com/
On 27 Oct 2016, at 00:00, Joni Brennan
wrote: Hello All,
Typed with a grain for salt as I am late to this thread admittedly.
I would agree that confidence and trust are ultimate goals while being terribly subjective. However, ethics in technology is more and more critical - especially in digital ID services. Is it possible that the statement might benefit from the inclusion of something to indicate ethics as a priority, for example, to support opportunities for societal and economic growth.
2 cents for consideration.
thx
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM Chris Adriaensen < chris.adriaensen@forgerock.com> wrote:
> IMHO I believe words like ‘trust’ or ‘confidence’ or too subjective > and dependent upon once’s viewpoint (has more marketing power as such) - > similar with question 2 I’m in favour for not mentioning what digital > identity is actually used for but rather focusing on its use, and the > practice and profession surrounding that. Chris > > On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:27, Colin Wallis
> wrote: > > We are starting to list things again, which carries its own dangers > of what gets left out along the way over time. > Andrew's avoids that problem. > > My 2c.. > > Cheers > > On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Ian Glazer > wrote: > >> "To advance the practice and profession of digital identity, >> authentication and access control use and management to increase trust in >> digital services.” >> >> -- >> Ian Glazer >> Senior Director, Identity >> +1 202 255 3166 >> @iglazer https://twitter.com/iglazer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DG-IDPro mailing list >> DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org >> http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro >> >> > > > -- > Executive Director > Kantara Initiative Inc. https://kantarainitiative.org/ > Cell: +44 (0)7490 266 778 <+44%207490%20266778> > > _______________________________________________ > DG-IDPro mailing list > DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org > http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro > > > _______________________________________________ > DG-IDPro mailing list > DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org > http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro > -- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
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_______________________________________________ DG-IDPro mailing list DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/dg-idpro
-- Kenneth Dagg Independent Consultant Identification and Authentication 613-825-2091 kendaggtbs@gmail.com
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I like the comments about what digital Identity is contributing to (society, economy) and that the end goal of it is to create trust between the RP and Subject (in both directions). I’ve modified the previous statement but have also reworded that sentiment to reflect the building of trust.
To foster ethics and excellence in the practice and profession of the use of digital identity in support of an inclusive digital society.
Alternatively:
A common professional and ethical approach to Digital Identity, which creates trust, at the heart of an inclusive digital society.
From: dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org [mailto:dg-idpro-bounces@kantarainitiative.org] On Behalf Of David Treece
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:51 PM
To: Ken Dagg
Cc: DG-IDPro@kantarainitiative.org
Subject: Re: [DG-IDPro] Question 3 B Mission Statement Thread
I like that.
David Treece
Costco Wholesale
IAM Enterprise Architect
(425) 416-2697
dtreece@costco.com
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Ken Dagg
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Andrew Hughes
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Charles Eckert
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Chris Adriaensen
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Colin Wallis
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David Treece
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Ian Glazer
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Joel Patenaude
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Joni Brennan
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Ken Dagg
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Sarah Squire
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Thorsten H. Niebuhr [WedaCon GmbH]