Hello Andrew - here are the comments from GTM if you need them. Thanks! Megan 12:01 PM Me Greetings! Please mark your attendance here: http://tinyurl.com/zlr2gkj 12:02 PM Patrick Essienres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20111%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207274508%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Greetings All! 12:06 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Hi all from Belgium! Mic problems so will just comments here in chat. 12:09 PM Andrew Hindleres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20115%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207536652%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e I do.... 12:09 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Does IAM industry suffcientely cover our intended member base? 12:11 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Andrew H +1 12:11 PM Colin Wallisres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20117%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207667724%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e OPenstand Principles here: https://open-stand.org/about-us/principles/ 12:11 PM Catherine Schultenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20110%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207208972%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e for example this non-discriminatory list excludes people with physical handicaps 12:11 PM Thorstenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20105%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206881292%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e +1 from me as well. 'everyone' might be enough 12:12 PM Colin Wallisres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20117%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207667724%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e And linked directly off Kantara's principles here:https://kantarainitiative.org/about/principles/ 12:12 PM Colin Wallisres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20117%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207667724%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e try that again.. https://kantarainitiative.org/about/principles/ 12:14 PM Andrew Hindleres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20115%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207536652%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Body of Knowlege, or Body of Work? 12:16 PM Thorstenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20105%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206881292%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e even though that is a list as well, its not that problematic than the first one. even if something is missed, its not discrimanatory 12:16 PM Colin Wallisres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20117%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207667724%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Both? 12:16 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Guess best current practive is embedded in body of knowledge, so agree. 12:17 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Mic problems... 12:18 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Or, just strike 'body of knowledge' from the phrase - 12:18 PM Thorstenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20105%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206881292%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e but best practise is not equal body of work? 12:18 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e if the sentence is deonstructed "to teach... best current practice... to the relevant... 12:18 PM Andrew Hindleres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20115%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207536652%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Do we need to call out the importance of 'keeping up to date'? 12:19 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Guess the word 'current' implies it's up-to-date. 12:21 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e yes 12:25 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Valid point; but guess we need to start somewhere and assume this list of priorities could change through time? 12:26 PM kendaggres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20102%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206684684%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e to me agree with andrew Reply in privateres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20102%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206684684%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e 12:26 PM kendaggres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20102%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206684684%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e agree with andrew 12:28 PM Thorstenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20105%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206881292%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e I am sorry, have to leave in a few minutes. Eager to hear/see the recordings. bye 12:29 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e i've got one - last in line please 12:31 PM kendaggres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20102%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206684684%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e i've got a comment 12:35 PM Andrew Hindleres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20115%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207536652%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e To add.... 12:36 PM Catherine Schultenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20110%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207208972%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e also some of the standards reflect the vision of a specific industry sector and doesn't apply to all 12:36 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Agree with Collin; contribution to standards which just cross our landscape like gov, finance, etc; not really on core standards inside our practice. 12:37 PM kendaggres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20102%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206684684%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e agree wholeheartedly with colin and andrewh 12:38 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e ian 12:38 PM kendaggres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20102%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206684684%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e agree with Catherine --- rationale for advocacy to that sector --- advocacy is a two way street 12:39 PM Colin Wallisres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20117%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207667724%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e in the queue for a brief comment plse. 12:42 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Reminder: Please mark your attendance here: http://tinyurl.com/zlr2gkj 12:43 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e a shibboleth 12:44 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e letting others speak 12:44 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e what works in other orgs? 12:44 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e yes and also no 12:45 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Agree; think we need both; open and closed. 12:45 PM Catherine Schultenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20110%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207208972%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e also agree open and closed 12:45 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e i agree with A.H. 12:46 PM Catherine Schultenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20110%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207208972%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e vendors are in the trenches also 12:46 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Yes; mixed; that's providing value. 12:47 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e forum rules of conduct... 12:47 PM Yaliman, Mehmetres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20109%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207143436%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e no cold calls based on forum contribution 12:47 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e i agree with ah 12:47 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e other associations have "vendor and marketing' channels 12:47 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e that are specifically to advertise to ourselves 12:48 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e yup 12:48 PM Dobbs, Georgeres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20118%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207733260%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Users may be more comfortable with openness than vendors might be. Some sort of rules / moderation probably needed. 12:48 PM Andrew Hindleres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20115%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207536652%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e That was Catherine's point. But I do agree with it :) 12:48 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Agree with keeping out commercial motivations; but strongly believe mixed and open dialogue is were the value comes from. 12:50 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Modification: commercial motivations are valuable - it's being respectful of the channel 12:50 PM Andrew Hughesres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20106%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%206946828%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e respectful is critical 12:52 PM Chris Adriaensenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20114%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207471116%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Both online and in-person are needed I feel. 12:52 PM Catherine Schultenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20110%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207208972%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e i personally like co-located events with a breakout for the professional group to meet in person 12:53 PM Catherine Schultenres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20110%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207208972%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e IDESG Plenary, Gartner IAM forum for example 12:54 PM Andrew Hindleres://\\G2MResource_en.dll/%3cA%20HREF=%22%3conLeftClick%3eeCMD_SetChatTo%20115%3c/onLeftClick%3e%3conRightClick%3eeCMD_DoAttendeeContextMenu%207536652%3c/onRightClick%3e%22%3e%3c/A%3e Thank you Ian :) Megan Cannon | Program Manager | Virtual, Inc. 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