Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
Hi Sal, A receipt based system would be amazing, which is why I want to reference the great work at ANCR, I have drafted an email to promote this work for this purpose, highlighting the progress. My question was slightly more procedural, in that, I was referring to the Controller Identification specification. On a previous wg Call we discussed pulling the controller identification record into its own document and I took this action then I drafted its and i posted this for collaboration, comment - and discussion. https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ Regardless of whether it makes it to the ANCR roadmap or not? Is there any objection to making saving this wiki page so it is to the public again? I can put a note on it, - saying proposed worked item, if that is a concern, Yes, I object, ___ No, I dont object ____ Abstain ______ Best Regards Mark
On 13 May 2025, at 12:19, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:
So, clearly it would be great to get the EU to move ahead with receipts as means for small business.
We can take up making this public on the call tomorrow, it is an “off-week” call. So we need to put this out to the list to let people know this is happening.
From: Tim Reiniger <tsreiniger@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:05 PM To: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com> Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> Subject: Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
Interesting idea to bring Eve Maler back for a reprise on UMA!
On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:47 AM Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> wrote:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Subject: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Date: 10 May 2025 at 15:10:31 GMT-4 To: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org>
Hi All,
in light of calls to update the GDPR - and make it easy for Small Business, by derogating the ROPA, record requirements for small businesses in the EU, i reached out to ask, why not implement consent receipts instead? (To the person who put consent receipts in the EU Digital Markets Act in the first place)
His response was to send him an email with this as an alternative approach so that he can share this with the EU Justice Department team.
As a part of my response, I would like to update them on how far the Consent Receipt work has evolved in the last 6 years into Standard Operational Transparency record information structure, that can be used for international consent record based information flows. (International Consent which was the objective of the work) Mentioning how the Kanatara Consent Receipt work was Used and is in use by industry Adopted into: ISO/IEC 27560: 2023 About to become an open standard (in 2025 Fall) Extending the open and free to access ISO/IEC 29100 - privacy framework (recently updated) TPI Benchmark for Valid Consent, coming out (next week Tbc) Conv 108+ being ratified(next month Tbc)
To add to this, would there be any objections to making the ANCR Controller Identification Record. <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> Spec (On the ANCR Wiki) publicly accessible so I can include it in my response ?
Best Regards,
Mark
Are there any objections to making the draft of the Controller Identification Record Spec publicly accessible ?
Dear Mark, Before this document is made public I suggest that we review it as a workgroup. At a minimum it would be best to have an edit. * Clean up grammar throughout. * Clean up and identify the table of contents * Better set up of the document (e.g. it states it is the security part of the minimum viable consent receipt, this needs explanation), same is true for the other sections, for example the PII Controller Notice Identification Record doesn’t have any introductory language. This is true for the document as a whole. * Remove confusing statement (e.g. 4th generation record) * Provide references (first published as 0PN Schema in semantics workshop). * Terminology (is this a terms and definition section). * The section Controller Credential Mapped to Legislative Instruments needs further explanation as mentioned above in the 3rd bullet. * The last section (PII Controller Authority) just hangs out there and needs further work, as mentioned above. How do you want to handle these suggested changes and others that wg members might have? And importantly, I believe the most important work item is to move ahead the TPI document. I don’t want to get sidetracked, and I believe this document is much better if it can also reference this work where we go through the process of controller identification that results in this record. Can you please take the word document in the minutes from the last meeting, accept the changes (new title, and 2 terms) and circulate that as a pdf. The goal is to have this approved by the WG so that we can have it ready for the monthly LC call. Multiple wg members have expressed the desire to do so and represents a majority of voting members. In fact I believe this is something everyone in the WG agrees on, so let’s move ahead. Sincerely, Sal From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 3:46 PM To: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> Cc: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Hi Sal, A receipt based system would be amazing, which is why I want to reference the great work at ANCR, I have drafted an email to promote this work for this purpose, highlighting the progress. My question was slightly more procedural, in that, I was referring to the Controller Identification specification. On a previous wg Call we discussed pulling the controller identification record into its own document and I took this action then I drafted its and i posted this for collaboration, comment - and discussion. kantara.atlassian.net<https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> Regardless of whether it makes it to the ANCR roadmap or not? Is there any objection to making saving this wiki page so it is to the public again? I can put a note on it, - saying proposed worked item, if that is a concern, Yes, I object, ___ No, I dont object ____ Abstain ______ Best Regards Mark On 13 May 2025, at 12:19, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com<mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> wrote: So, clearly it would be great to get the EU to move ahead with receipts as means for small business. We can take up making this public on the call tomorrow, it is an “off-week” call. So we need to put this out to the list to let people know this is happening. From: Tim Reiniger <tsreiniger@gmail.com<mailto:tsreiniger@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:05 PM To: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com<mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com<mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> Subject: Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Interesting idea to bring Eve Maler back for a reprise on UMA! On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:47 AM Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com<mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com<mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Subject: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Date: 10 May 2025 at 15:10:31 GMT-4 To: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org<mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org> Hi All, in light of calls to update the GDPR - and make it easy for Small Business, by derogating the ROPA, record requirements for small businesses in the EU, i reached out to ask, why not implement consent receipts instead? (To the person who put consent receipts in the EU Digital Markets Act in the first place) His response was to send him an email with this as an alternative approach so that he can share this with the EU Justice Department team. As a part of my response, I would like to update them on how far the Consent Receipt work has evolved in the last 6 years into Standard Operational Transparency record information structure, that can be used for international consent record based information flows. (International Consent which was the objective of the work) Mentioning how the Kanatara Consent Receipt work was * Used and is in use by industry * Adopted into: * ISO/IEC 27560: 2023 About to become an open standard (in 2025 Fall) * Extending the open and free to access ISO/IEC 29100 - privacy framework (recently updated) * TPI Benchmark for Valid Consent, coming out (next week Tbc) * Conv 108+ being ratified(next month Tbc) To add to this, would there be any objections to making the ANCR Controller Identification Record.<https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> Spec (On the ANCR Wiki) publicly accessible so I can include it in my response ? Best Regards, Mark Are there any objections to making the draft of the Controller Identification Record Spec publicly accessible ?
HI Sal, It’s intended to be a working document, which means if you see something like grammar, or to discuss, the idea is to highlight the text and comment on it, so we can work asynchronously. It makes sense, that we should have a policy that does this on a document by document basis, with consensus, and not make it the default. To automatically post everything publicly. Best, Mark
On 13 May 2025, at 16:38, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:
Dear Mark,
Before this document is made public I suggest that we review it as a workgroup. At a minimum it would be best to have an edit.
Clean up grammar throughout. Clean up and identify the table of contents Better set up of the document (e.g. it states it is the security part of the minimum viable consent receipt, this needs explanation), same is true for the other sections, for example the PII Controller Notice Identification Record doesn’t have any introductory language. This is true for the document as a whole. Remove confusing statement (e.g. 4th generation record) Provide references (first published as 0PN Schema in semantics workshop). Terminology (is this a terms and definition section). The section Controller Credential Mapped to Legislative Instruments needs further explanation as mentioned above in the 3rd bullet. The last section (PII Controller Authority) just hangs out there and needs further work, as mentioned above.
How do you want to handle these suggested changes and others that wg members might have?
And importantly, I believe the most important work item is to move ahead the TPI document. I don’t want to get sidetracked, and I believe this document is much better if it can also reference this work where we go through the process of controller identification that results in this record.
Can you please take the word document in the minutes from the last meeting, accept the changes (new title, and 2 terms) and circulate that as a pdf.
The goal is to have this approved by the WG so that we can have it ready for the monthly LC call. Multiple wg members have expressed the desire to do so and represents a majority of voting members. In fact I believe this is something everyone in the WG agrees on, so let’s move ahead.
Sincerely, Sal
From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 3:46 PM To: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> Cc: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org> Subject: Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
Hi Sal,
A receipt based system would be amazing, which is why I want to reference the great work at ANCR, I have drafted an email to promote this work for this purpose, highlighting the progress. My question was slightly more procedural, in that, I was referring to the Controller Identification specification.
On a previous wg Call we discussed pulling the controller identification record into its own document and I took this action then I drafted its and i posted this for collaboration, comment - and discussion. kantara.atlassian.net <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> <image001.png> <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ>
Regardless of whether it makes it to the ANCR roadmap or not? Is there any objection to making saving this wiki page so it is to the public again? I can put a note on it, - saying proposed worked item, if that is a concern,
Yes, I object, ___ No, I dont object ____ Abstain ______
Best Regards
Mark
On 13 May 2025, at 12:19, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> wrote:
So, clearly it would be great to get the EU to move ahead with receipts as means for small business.
We can take up making this public on the call tomorrow, it is an “off-week” call. So we need to put this out to the list to let people know this is happening.
From: Tim Reiniger <tsreiniger@gmail.com <mailto:tsreiniger@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:05 PM To: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> Subject: Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
Interesting idea to bring Eve Maler back for a reprise on UMA!
On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:47 AM Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> wrote:
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Subject: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Date: 10 May 2025 at 15:10:31 GMT-4 To: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org>
Hi All,
in light of calls to update the GDPR - and make it easy for Small Business, by derogating the ROPA, record requirements for small businesses in the EU, i reached out to ask, why not implement consent receipts instead? (To the person who put consent receipts in the EU Digital Markets Act in the first place)
His response was to send him an email with this as an alternative approach so that he can share this with the EU Justice Department team.
As a part of my response, I would like to update them on how far the Consent Receipt work has evolved in the last 6 years into Standard Operational Transparency record information structure, that can be used for international consent record based information flows. (International Consent which was the objective of the work) Mentioning how the Kanatara Consent Receipt work was Used and is in use by industry Adopted into: ISO/IEC 27560: 2023 About to become an open standard (in 2025 Fall) Extending the open and free to access ISO/IEC 29100 - privacy framework (recently updated) TPI Benchmark for Valid Consent, coming out (next week Tbc) Conv 108+ being ratified(next month Tbc)
To add to this, would there be any objections to making the ANCR Controller Identification Record. <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> Spec (On the ANCR Wiki) publicly accessible so I can include it in my response ?
Best Regards,
Mark
Are there any objections to making the draft of the Controller Identification Record Spec publicly accessible ?
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You then create a first draft that is reviewed for the kinds of things I point out below by whomever is the author of any of the document or sections. The comments below really should not be necessary if sufficient care is taken in presenting the work. If a section is not clear it is not ready, authors own this responsibility. This is a general policy for creating things, it is not a wg thing. I donât think this is ready to share. If I need to make this more clear I will do it in the wiki but I really donât think that is necessary. Sincerely, Sal From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 6:11 PM To: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> Cc: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [WG-ANCR] Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's HI Sal, Itâs intended to be a working document, which means if you see something like grammar, or to discuss, the idea is to highlight the text and comment on it, so we can work asynchronously. It makes sense, that we should have a policy that does this on a document by document basis, with consensus, and not make it the default. To automatically post everything publicly. Best, Mark On 13 May 2025, at 16:38, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com> > wrote: Dear Mark, Before this document is made public I suggest that we review it as a workgroup. At a minimum it would be best to have an edit. * Clean up grammar throughout. * Clean up and identify the table of contents * Better set up of the document (e.g. it states it is the security part of the minimum viable consent receipt, this needs explanation), same is true for the other sections, for example the PII Controller Notice Identification Record doesnât have any introductory language. This is true for the document as a whole. * Remove confusing statement (e.g. 4th generation record) * Provide references (first published as 0PN Schema in semantics workshop). * Terminology (is this a terms and definition section). * The section Controller Credential Mapped to Legislative Instruments needs further explanation as mentioned above in the 3rd bullet. * The last section (PII Controller Authority) just hangs out there and needs further work, as mentioned above. How do you want to handle these suggested changes and others that wg members might have? And importantly, I believe the most important work item is to move ahead the TPI document. I donât want to get sidetracked, and I believe this document is much better if it can also reference this work where we go through the process of controller identification that results in this record. Can you please take the word document in the minutes from the last meeting, accept the changes (new title, and 2 terms) and circulate that as a pdf. The goal is to have this approved by the WG so that we can have it ready for the monthly LC call. Multiple wg members have expressed the desire to do so and represents a majority of voting members. In fact I believe this is something everyone in the WG agrees on, so letâs move ahead. Sincerely, Sal From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 3:46 PM To: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com> > Cc: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org> Subject: Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Hi Sal, A receipt based system would be amazing, which is why I want to reference the great work at ANCR, I have drafted an email to promote this work for this purpose, highlighting the progress. My question was slightly more procedural, in that, I was referring to the Controller Identification specification. On a previous wg Call we discussed pulling the controller identification record into its own document and I took this action then I drafted its and i posted this for collaboration, comment - and discussion. <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> kantara.atlassian.net <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> <image001.png> Regardless of whether it makes it to the ANCR roadmap or not? Is there any objection to making saving this wiki page so it is to the public again? I can put a note on it, - saying proposed worked item, if that is a concern, Yes, I object, ___ No, I dont object ____ Abstain ______ Best Regards Mark On 13 May 2025, at 12:19, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com> > wrote: So, clearly it would be great to get the EU to move ahead with receipts as means for small business. We can take up making this public on the call tomorrow, it is an âoff-weekâ call. So we need to put this out to the list to let people know this is happening. From: Tim Reiniger <tsreiniger@gmail.com <mailto:tsreiniger@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:05 PM To: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com> > Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com> > Subject: Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Interesting idea to bring Eve Maler back for a reprise on UMA! On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:47â¯AM Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com> > wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com> > Subject: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Date: 10 May 2025 at 15:10:31 GMT-4 To: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org> Hi All, in light of calls to update the GDPR - and make it easy for Small Business, by derogating the ROPA, record requirements for small businesses in the EU, i reached out to ask, why not implement consent receipts instead? (To the person who put consent receipts in the EU Digital Markets Act in the first place) His response was to send him an email with this as an alternative approach so that he can share this with the EU Justice Department team. As a part of my response, I would like to update them on how far the Consent Receipt work has evolved in the last 6 years into Standard Operational Transparency record information structure, that can be used for international consent record based information flows. (International Consent which was the objective of the work) Mentioning how the Kanatara Consent Receipt work was * Used and is in use by industry * Adopted into: * ISO/IEC 27560: 2023 About to become an open standard (in 2025 Fall) * Extending the open and free to access ISO/IEC 29100 - privacy framework (recently updated) * TPI Benchmark for Valid Consent, coming out (next week Tbc) * Conv 108+ being ratified(next month Tbc) To add to this, would there be any objections to making the ANCR Controller Identification Record. <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> Spec (On the ANCR Wiki) publicly accessible so I can iþnclude it in my response ? 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This is a rough = draft at best. I think it needs to be in a better = state.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Some of this has to = do with how documents are created. This is not following the normal = process one follows to do that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Start with an outline = and abstract. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Follow the Kantara = style guide for this and use a Kantara template. This may or may not be = on the wiki. Not everyone finds the wiki the easiest way to create a = document. This is also a discussion point that we should agree = on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Get that = approved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>You then create a = first draft that is reviewed for the kinds of things I point out below = by whomever is the author of any of the document or sections. The = comments below really should not be necessary if sufficient care is = taken in presenting the work. If a section is not clear it is not ready, = authors own this responsibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>This is a general = policy for creating things, it is not a wg = thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I don=E2=80=99t think = this is ready to share. =C2=A0If I need to make this more clear I will = do it in the wiki but I really don=E2=80=99t think that is = necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Sal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div = style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><= /b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> = Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May = 13, 2025 6:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Salvatore D'Agostino = <sal@idmachines.com><br><b>Cc:</b> = wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [WG-ANCR] Quick = Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA = replacement for SME's<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>HI = Sal, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>It=E2=80=99s intended to be a working document, which = means if you see something like grammar, or to discuss, the idea = is to highlight the text and comment on it, so we can work = asynchronously. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>It makes sense, that we should have a policy = that does this on a document by document basis, with consensus, and not = make it the default. To automatically post everything publicly. = <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Mark <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>On 13 May 2025, at 16:38, Salvatore D'Agostino <<a = href=3D"mailto:sal@idmachines.com">sal@idmachines.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Dear = Mark,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Before this document = is made public I suggest that we review it as a workgroup. At a minimum = it would be best to have an edit.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><ul = style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Clean up grammar = throughout.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Clean up and identify the table of = contents</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Better set up of the document (e.g. it states = it is the security part of the minimum viable consent receipt, this = needs explanation), same is true for the other sections, for example the = PII Controller Notice Identification Record doesn=E2=80=99t have any = introductory language. This is true for the document as a = whole.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Remove confusing statement (e.g. = 4<sup>th</sup><span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>generation = record)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Provide references (first published as 0PN = Schema in semantics workshop).</span><o:p></o:p></li><li = class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Terminology (is this a terms and definition = section).</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>The section Controller Credential Mapped to = Legislative Instruments needs further explanation as mentioned above in = the 3<sup>rd</sup><span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>bullet.</span><o:p></o:p></li>= <li class=3DMsoListParagraph = style=3D'margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo1'><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>The last section (PII Controller Authority) = just hangs out there and needs further work, as mentioned = above.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>How do you want to = handle these suggested changes and others that wg members might = have?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>And importantly, I = believe the most important work item is to move ahead the TPI = document. I don=E2=80=99t want to get sidetracked, and I believe = this document is much better if it can also reference this work where we = go through the process of controller identification that results in this = record.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Can you please take = the word document in the minutes from the last meeting, accept the = changes (new title, and 2 terms) and circulate that as a = pdf.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>The goal is to have = this approved by the WG so that we can have it ready for the monthly LC = call. Multiple wg members have expressed the desire to do so and = represents a majority of voting members. In fact I believe this is = something everyone in the WG agrees on, so let=E2=80=99s move = ahead.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Sal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div = style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor;border-image: = none'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><= /b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span>= </span><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mark Lizar = <<a = href=3D"mailto:smartopian@icloud.com">smartopian@icloud.com</a>><br><b= href=3D"mailto:sal@idmachines.com">sal@idmachines.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</= b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org">wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.o= rg</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Quick Poll - Re: Breaking = news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for = SME's</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Sal,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>A receipt based system would be amazing, which is why = I want to reference the great work at = ANCR, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> I have drafted an email to promote this work for = this purpose, highlighting the progress. My question was = slightly more procedural, in that, I was referring to the = Controller Identification = specification. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>On a previous wg Call we discussed pulling the = controller identification record into its own document and I took this = action then I drafted its and i posted this for collaboration, = comment - and discussion. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><table = class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 = width=3D300 = style=3D'width:225.0pt;background:#E5E6E9;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><= td style=3D'padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><table class=3DMsoNormalTable = border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D300 = style=3D'width:225.0pt;background:#E5E6E9'><tr><td = style=3D'padding:6.0pt 0in 6.0pt 0in'><div = style=3D'margin-left:12.0pt;margin-right:12.0pt;max-width:100%;overflow:h= idden'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>= <a href=3D"https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ"><span = style=3D'color:gray;text-decoration:none'>kantara.atlassian.net</span></a= style=3D'width:24.0pt;padding:0in 9.0pt 0in 0in'><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><a = href=3D"https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ"><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><image001.png></span><= /a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div>= </div></blockquote><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> Regardless of whether it makes it to the ANCR = roadmap or not? Is there <u>any objection</u> to = making saving this wiki page so it is to the public again? = I can put a note on it, - saying proposed worked item, if that is a = concern, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, I object, = ___<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>No, I dont = object ____ <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Abstain = ______ <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Best Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Mark<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><d= iv><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>On 13 May 2025, at 12:19, Salvatore D'Agostino <<a = href=3D"mailto:sal@idmachines.com">sal@idmachines.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>So, clearly it would = be great to get the EU to move ahead with receipts as means for small = business. <span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></= div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><= div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>We can take up = making this public on the call tomorrow, it is an = =E2=80=9Coff-week=E2=80=9D call. So we need to put this out to the list = to let people know this is = happening.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div = style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor;border-image: none'><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><= /b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span>= </span><span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tim Reiniger = <<a = href=3D"mailto:tsreiniger@gmail.com">tsreiniger@gmail.com</a>><span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:05 = PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Mark = Lizar <<a = href=3D"mailto:smartopian@icloud.com">smartopian@icloud.com</a>><br><b= href=3D"mailto:sal@idmachines.com">sal@idmachines.com</a>><br><b>Subje= ct:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: Breaking = news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for = SME's</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Interesting idea to bring Eve Maler back for a reprise = on UMA!<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p= class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:47<span = style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>AM Mark Lizar = <<a = href=3D"mailto:smartopian@icloud.com">smartopian@icloud.com</a>> = wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote = style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in = 0in = 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5= .0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, = 204);border-image: none'><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Begin forwarded = message:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>From:<span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Mark Lizar <<a = href=3D"mailto:smartopian@icloud.com" = target=3D"_blank">smartopian@icloud.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p></di= v></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Subject:<span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Breaking news: opportunity to = present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for = SME's</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Date:<span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>10 May 2025 at 15:10:31 = GMT-4</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal><b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>To:<span = class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span = style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><a = href=3D"mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org" = target=3D"_blank">wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>= </div></div></div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><d= iv><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi = All, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= div><p class=3DMsoNormal>in light of calls to update the GDPR - and make = it easy for Small Business, by derogating the ROPA, record requirements = for small businesses in the EU, i reached out to ask, why not implement = consent receipts instead? (To the person who put consent receipts = in the EU Digital Markets Act in the first = place) <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p class=3DMsoNormal>His response was to send him an email with this as = an alternative approach so that he can share this with the = EU Justice Department = team. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p class=3DMsoNormal>As a part of my response, I would like to update = them on how far the Consent Receipt work has evolved in the last 6 = years into Standard Operational Transparency record information = structure, that can be used for international consent record based = information flows. (International Consent which was the objective = of the work) <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal>Mentioning how the Kanatara Consent Receipt work = was <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><ul = style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>Used and is in use by = industry <o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-list:l3 = level1 lfo2'>Adopted into: <o:p></o:p></li></ul><ul = style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Ddisc><ul style=3D'margin-top:0in' = type=3Dcircle><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-list:l2 level2 = lfo3'>ISO/IEC 27560: 2023 About to become an open standard (in 2025 = Fall) <o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul><ul style=3D'margin-top:0in' = type=3Ddisc><ul style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Dcircle><ul = style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Dsquare><li class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-list:l1 level3 lfo4'>Extending the open and free to = access ISO/IEC 29100 - privacy framework (recently = updated) <o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul></ul><ul = style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5'>TPI Benchmark for Valid Consent, = coming out (next week Tbc)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5'> Conv 108+ being ratified(next = month Tbc) <o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p class=3DMsoNormal>To add to this, would there be any objections to = making the ANCR <a = href=3D"https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ" = target=3D"_blank">Controller Identification Record.</a> Spec (On = the ANCR Wiki) publicly accessible so I can include it in my response ? = <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p class=3DMsoNormal>Best = Regards, <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p = class=3DMsoNormal>Mark <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><d= iv><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></di= v></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><= div><div><p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p = class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><= p class=3DMsoNormal>Are there any objections to making the draft of the = Controller Identification Record Spec publicly accessible = ? 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Ok Sal, Good points, I agree with that, and, I realise now, that if they really want to see it, they can always join the work group. Best, - Mark
On 13 May 2025, at 18:42, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> wrote:
Dear Mark,
The document you presented requires a fair amount of work.
I think you need to go back and clean it up before you ask others to do so. This is a rough draft at best. I think it needs to be in a better state.
Some of this has to do with how documents are created. This is not following the normal process one follows to do that.
Start with an outline and abstract.
Follow the Kantara style guide for this and use a Kantara template. This may or may not be on the wiki. Not everyone finds the wiki the easiest way to create a document. This is also a discussion point that we should agree on. Get that approved.
You then create a first draft that is reviewed for the kinds of things I point out below by whomever is the author of any of the document or sections. The comments below really should not be necessary if sufficient care is taken in presenting the work. If a section is not clear it is not ready, authors own this responsibility.
This is a general policy for creating things, it is not a wg thing.
I don’t think this is ready to share. If I need to make this more clear I will do it in the wiki but I really don’t think that is necessary.
Sincerely, Sal
From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 6:11 PM To: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com> Cc: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org Subject: Re: [WG-ANCR] Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
HI Sal,
It’s intended to be a working document, which means if you see something like grammar, or to discuss, the idea is to highlight the text and comment on it, so we can work asynchronously.
It makes sense, that we should have a policy that does this on a document by document basis, with consensus, and not make it the default. To automatically post everything publicly.
Best,
Mark
On 13 May 2025, at 16:38, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> wrote:
Dear Mark,
Before this document is made public I suggest that we review it as a workgroup. At a minimum it would be best to have an edit.
Clean up grammar throughout. Clean up and identify the table of contents Better set up of the document (e.g. it states it is the security part of the minimum viable consent receipt, this needs explanation), same is true for the other sections, for example the PII Controller Notice Identification Record doesn’t have any introductory language. This is true for the document as a whole. Remove confusing statement (e.g. 4th generation record) Provide references (first published as 0PN Schema in semantics workshop). Terminology (is this a terms and definition section). The section Controller Credential Mapped to Legislative Instruments needs further explanation as mentioned above in the 3rd bullet. The last section (PII Controller Authority) just hangs out there and needs further work, as mentioned above.
How do you want to handle these suggested changes and others that wg members might have?
And importantly, I believe the most important work item is to move ahead the TPI document. I don’t want to get sidetracked, and I believe this document is much better if it can also reference this work where we go through the process of controller identification that results in this record.
Can you please take the word document in the minutes from the last meeting, accept the changes (new title, and 2 terms) and circulate that as a pdf.
The goal is to have this approved by the WG so that we can have it ready for the monthly LC call. Multiple wg members have expressed the desire to do so and represents a majority of voting members. In fact I believe this is something everyone in the WG agrees on, so let’s move ahead.
Sincerely, Sal
From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 3:46 PM To: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> Cc: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org> Subject: Quick Poll - Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
Hi Sal,
A receipt based system would be amazing, which is why I want to reference the great work at ANCR, I have drafted an email to promote this work for this purpose, highlighting the progress. My question was slightly more procedural, in that, I was referring to the Controller Identification specification.
On a previous wg Call we discussed pulling the controller identification record into its own document and I took this action then I drafted its and i posted this for collaboration, comment - and discussion. kantara.atlassian.net <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ> <image001.png> <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ>
Regardless of whether it makes it to the ANCR roadmap or not? Is there any objection to making saving this wiki page so it is to the public again? I can put a note on it, - saying proposed worked item, if that is a concern,
Yes, I object, ___ No, I dont object ____ Abstain ______
Best Regards
Mark
On 13 May 2025, at 12:19, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> wrote:
So, clearly it would be great to get the EU to move ahead with receipts as means for small business.
We can take up making this public on the call tomorrow, it is an “off-week” call. So we need to put this out to the list to let people know this is happening.
From: Tim Reiniger <tsreiniger@gmail.com <mailto:tsreiniger@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 12:05 PM To: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Cc: Salvatore D'Agostino <sal@idmachines.com <mailto:sal@idmachines.com>> Subject: Re: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's
Interesting idea to bring Eve Maler back for a reprise on UMA!
On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:47 AM Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> wrote:
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From: Mark Lizar <smartopian@icloud.com <mailto:smartopian@icloud.com>> Subject: Breaking news: opportunity to present ancr work as EU ROPA replacement for SME's Date: 10 May 2025 at 15:10:31 GMT-4 To: wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org <mailto:wg-ancr@kantarainitiative.org>
Hi All,
in light of calls to update the GDPR - and make it easy for Small Business, by derogating the ROPA, record requirements for small businesses in the EU, i reached out to ask, why not implement consent receipts instead? (To the person who put consent receipts in the EU Digital Markets Act in the first place)
His response was to send him an email with this as an alternative approach so that he can share this with the EU Justice Department team.
As a part of my response, I would like to update them on how far the Consent Receipt work has evolved in the last 6 years into Standard Operational Transparency record information structure, that can be used for international consent record based information flows. (International Consent which was the objective of the work) Mentioning how the Kanatara Consent Receipt work was Used and is in use by industry Adopted into: ISO/IEC 27560: 2023 About to become an open standard (in 2025 Fall) Extending the open and free to access ISO/IEC 29100 - privacy framework (recently updated) TPI Benchmark for Valid Consent, coming out (next week Tbc) Conv 108+ being ratified(next month Tbc)
To add to this, would there be any objections to making the ANCR Controller Identification Record. <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/x/OADaNQ>Spec (On the ANCR Wiki) publicly accessible so I can include it in my response ?
Best Regards,
Mark
Are there any objections to making the draft of the Controller Identification Record Spec publicly accessible ?
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