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Agenda for UMA telecon 2017-07-13
by Eve Maler 12 Jul '17

12 Jul '17

http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2017-07-13 Date and Time - *Thursdays, 9-10am PT* - Screenshare and dial-in: http://join.me/findthomas - UMA calendar: http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/Calendar Agenda - Roll call - Approve minutes of UMA telecon 2017-06-29 <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2017-06-29> - Public Comment/IPR Review period concluded on July 12 at 11:59 UTC - UMA V2.0 work: - All GitHub issues for V2.0 <https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-uma/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+l…> /Grant swimlane <https://www.websequencediagrams.com/files/render?link=GDUuGPibcbXrR5uWBSQP> , FedAuthz swimlane <https://www.websequencediagrams.com/files/render?link=tGft5o5ErGvUWj4X3o-O> /Release Notes <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+Release+Notes> /UIG <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+Implementer%27s+Gui…> /Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User-Managed_Access> - Issues #326-#330 have been implemented - Please check out draft solution <https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-uma/commit/1abd77b46e29fdd0d3e0b606…> for #328 <https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-uma/issues/328>: how client-contributed scopes are mapped to resources during authorization assessment - Let's briefly discuss #334 <https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-uma/issues/334>: the IANA registration request for the JWT permissions claim and its constituent parts - Several of the items in #337 <https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-uma/issues/337> are worth discussing - If you want to review and weigh in on the other public-comment-period issues, please do it before the call - Release notes <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+Release+Notes> are getting more fleshed out; review (and contributions) welcome - Finalizing the specs - When will we be ready to vote on progressing specs to the LC and then to All-Member Ballot? - UMA2 logo ideas - AOB *Eve Maler*Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Several comments
by Guttner, Ondrej 12 Jul '17

12 Jul '17

Hi all, During the implementation of the standard, I came across several points I think needs to be cleared (at least to me, and I hope the reason is not my stupidity). I know the public comment period ends tomorrow, so I rather use this method of communication, so as, if there is something useful in the list, it is not missed. I wrote some of these remarks down during reading of the older versions, and now I tried to look whether it has already been changed, so excuse me, if I miss something, that was already added. https://docs.kantarainitiative.org/uma/wg/oauth-uma-federated-authz-2.0-05.…: 1) 5.1.1: For exp, the behavior for absent value is defined. iat and nbf are missing definition for this state. Although it is quite intuitive (“if absent, the token-level value takes precedence”), might be worth include it to prevent possible misunderstandings. https://docs.kantarainitiative.org/uma/wg/oauth-uma-grant-2.0-05.html: 1) 3.3: “The client has obtained OAuth client credentials from the authorization server, …, and is prepared to authenticate itself to the token endpoint if appropriate.” RFC6749 – 3.2.1: “Confidential clients or other clients issued client credentials MUST authenticate with the authorization server as described in Section 2.3 when making requests to the token endpoint.” Doesn’t this mean, that in UMA, the client requesting at the token EP MUST always authenticate? The formulation from uma_grant 3.3 may lead to a conclusion there exists a situation in which it is not necessary to authenticate. 2) 3.3.2: If AS supports RFC7591, it MUST allow clients to register claims_redirect_uri (as mentioned in 2.), but it is not defined, how this parameter looks like (array?, space separated?) Shouldn’t it be better to have “claims_redirect_uris”? (RFC7591 defines redirect_uris also in plural). In RFC6749, redirection URI (which is similar from the security point of view to the claims redir URI) SHOULD require the use of TLS and MUST be registered for public clients. In addition, an incomplete redirection URI is enabled, and some other features. Wouldn’t it be beneficial to define claims redirection URI with reference to the definition of redirection URI? 3) 3.3.3: I personally would extend the first sentence to “ … of the claims redirection URI resolved according to the algorithm described in previous section using the …”. Otherwise, any preregistered claims redirection URI might be used (I know you would need to be an evil implementer to do this, but hey, who isn’t a bit?). 4) 3.3.3: The example response from AS is actually a request. 5) 3.3.4: This whole section makes the permission concept unclear to me. I suppose, that a request for RPT can contain multiple tuples (resource, scopes), where the scopes for each resource may be different. Section 3.3.4 puts an impression on me, that all these scopes sets are actually identical. Namely: “Let a set called PermissionTicket stand for the scopes associated with the permission ticket” does not distinguish between all the permissions that can be bound to the permission ticket. The example does not help in this either, as it concerns only a single resource. I’d suggest to add something like: “This authorization assessment holds for any permission bound to the permission ticket received by the AS.” Subsequently, it needs to be made clear, what happens if CandidateGrantedScopes < RequestedScopes for not all of the requested permissions. 6) 3.3.5: Described in https://github.com/KantaraInitiative/wg-uma/issues/332 7) 5.6: Permission ticket is similar in use to authorization code in OAuth (both are single use, may be transferred over plain HTTP), but the latter is influenced by additional security measure – if the same code is observed twice by AS, it should attempt to revoke all access tokens issued based on that code. Shouldn’t this be considered also for the permission ticket and relevant RPTs? I hope, it was not a loss of time for you to read through these lines. Kind regards, Ondrej Atos IT Solutions and Services, s.r.o. - CEO: Martin Sùra - registered in the Commercial Register of the Municipal Court in Prague, Sec. 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Fwd: Registration Now Open - WG11 Midyear Meeting on Sept. 18-19, 2017 in San Diego
by John Wunderlich 12 Jul '17

12 Jul '17

For lawyers in the UMA legal group: https://thesedonaconference.org/node/108179? 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Re: [WG-UMA] Minor comment
by Justin Richer 12 Jul '17

12 Jul '17

This is a good point, might as well spell it out. --Justin Sent from my phone -------- Original message --------From: James Phillpotts <james.phillpotts(a)forgerock.com> Date: 7/11/17 3:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Eve Maler <eve(a)xmlgrrl.com> Cc: "wg-uma(a)kantarainitiative.org UMA" <wg-uma(a)kantarainitiative.org> Subject: Re: [WG-UMA] Minor comment Only in that in UMA 1.0 the token type hint was not access_token. J. On 11 July 2017 at 02:14, Eve Maler <eve(a)xmlgrrl.com> wrote: Since both PATs and RPTs are already formally defined, and function, as OAuth access tokens, I wonder if it's necessary to spell this requirement out. (The protection API is just about introspecting the RPT.) Eve Maler (sent from my iPad) | cell +1 425 345 6756 On Jul 10, 2017, at 6:44 AM, James Phillpotts <james.phillpotts(a)forgerock.com> wrote: Hi all, In https://docs.kantarainitiative.org/uma/wg/oauth-uma-federated-authz-2.0-05.… given we just talk about RPTs and PATs, should we specify that the token_type_hint (if used) should be set to access_token? ref: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7662#section-2.1 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7009#section-4.1.2.2 CheersJames _______________________________________________ WG-UMA mailing list WG-UMA(a)kantarainitiative.org http://kantarainitiative.org/mailman/listinfo/wg-uma

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Minor comment
by James Phillpotts 11 Jul '17

11 Jul '17

Hi all, In https://docs.kantarainitiative.org/uma/wg/oauth-uma-federated-authz-2.0-05.… given we just talk about RPTs and PATs, should we specify that the token_type_hint (if used) should be set to access_token? ref: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7662#section-2.1 and https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7009#section-4.1.2.2 Cheers James

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Notes from UMA Legal telecon 2017-07-07 / a few extra notes and requests
by Eve Maler 07 Jul '17

07 Jul '17

A few more notes and requests: - There is *no Legal call next Friday*, as I've got a conflict. - Everyone please comment on the definitions <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/kantara-initiative-uma-wg/553hZKy8h…> *Tuesday, July 18*. Please send to the whole list. Ideally, don't just reply to this note; start a new thread with "Legal" in the subject. - *Tim,* if you're okay with it, let's please meet soon after that date to ensure you have what you need for deliverable #3. (I can also meet Mon-Thu next week.) - If anyone has any questions or thoughts, as always, please let me know. Thank you! http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+legal+subgroup+note… 2017-07-07 Attending: Eve, Kathleen, John, Ann, Mark, Tim Tim sent definitions according to the "exercise" Eve set. He derived many of them from UCITA, and some from prior UMA materials, including the draft model clauses, and then "protected resource" is new and may need more work. Let's treat these definitions, not as final model definitions, but our working draft that could be published in deliverable #3 (potentially accompanied by some diagrams showing mapping relationships) to show where the framework is headed. We can all review the document prior to the next call and send comments. *Access Contract:* *A contract or agreement to obtain by electronic means access to, or information from, an information processing system of another Person, or the equivalent of such access.* What is the difference between an access contract and an information sharing agreement? The former is a term out of UCITA law, so that's why he grabbed it. *Resource Owner:* *A Person with legal authority to grant access rights to Protected Resources; authorized to delegate access control functions to an ASO and to license access and use rights (permissions) relating to Protected Resources; acts as licensor to the Resource Server Operator.* Do both parts of the second clause relate to the ASO, or does licensing access and use rights pertain to the RO alone and not something the ASO mediates? The theory was that the ASO mediates this because it manages and executes/makes decisions on the RO's policies (which it does). Does taking out "*and*" in "*and to license access*" fix this, roughly? It seems so. Note: In UMA, the policy does not inherently travel with the resource, without some other layer of technology ("sticky policy" technology or similar). Do we need to define *Policy* (or *Authorization Policy*) vs *Business Policy* somehow? Does that add value to what we're doing? *Person:* *An Individual or Legal Person.* Great, same as before. *Legal Person:* *A legal entity means a corporation, business trust, estate, trust, partnership, limited liability company, association, joint venture, governmental subdivision, instrumentality, or agency, public corporation, or any other legal or commercial entity.* This seems to need just a touch of wordsmithing, e.g., "*A legal entity; a corporation...*". *Protected Resources:* *All data, applications, or software in which a Person either has Informational Rights or gives the Person the ability to exercise Informational Rights.* First, should this be singular? Second, regardless of singular or plural, the RSO has inherent authority in various aspects of "what counts as a resource" and "what types of access are possible to perform on a resource", as described here <https://docs.kantarainitiative.org/uma/wg/oauth-uma-federated-authz-2.0-05.…> (so possibly it's worth breaking down into *Resource* and then *Protected Resource*, as the former is RS-related and the latter is AS-related?). Is it interesting to consider mentioning "URI" as the location of the resource somehow, or no? *Eve Maler*Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Reminder: We have a Legal telecon tomorrow (Friday)
by Eve Maler 07 Jul '17

07 Jul '17

8am PT/11am ET/4pm UK/5pm CET http://join.me/findthomas Agenda: - Review a final proposal for UMA roles, their definitions, and licensing mappings and relationships, and other language to use/stick to in describing this world - Take a look at a visual formalism for explaining all this *Eve Maler*Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Notes from UMA Legal subgroup telecon 2017-06-30
by Eve Maler 01 Jul '17

01 Jul '17

http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+legal+subgroup+note… 2017-06-30 Attending: Eve, Tim, Kathleen, John W, Bjorn, Colin, Mark L, Sal, Mary Let's clarify all our role terms and concepts today: 1. *Resource Owner** (was Grantor)* 1. *Data Subject* *(was Resource Subject)* (has privacy framework meaning) - could be the Resource Owner or has delegated authority to a separate Resource Owner by law or contract 2. *Authorization Server Operator* - Agent (fiduciary?) of the Resource Owner - role is controlled by the PAT, and in practice it issues the end-to-end licenses because it issues the RPTs 3. *Resource Server Operator* - Data Controller (has privacy framework meaning) - is the Resource Server Operator 4. *Client Operator* - 1st-tier Data Processor (has privacy framework meaning) - is always the Client Operator? or if the Resource Owner grants access in order to make the Requesting Party be another Data Controller, what does that make the Client Operator in this case? 5. *Requesting Party* - 2nd-tier Data Processor (has privacy framework meaning) - is always the Requesting Party? - or maybe the Resource Owner wants to make the Requesting Party be another Data Controller? 1. *Access Beneficiary*??? - a party that the Requesting Party is acting on behalf of, either themselves or another party - a better name for this? We definitely don't like the word "ownership" of data or records. Is there licensing of data, or a record, or what? Since the access grant could be about disclosure of data, or deletion of data, or execution of an algorithm, or whatever, the licensing similarly could be sophisticated. It could specify that the recipient gets a copy of the data, etc. We want to have a concordance between all of these roles and the UMA flow. Do we use the role terms *Licensor* and *Licensee* at different points in our clause text vs. the terms above? Or can we punt on that for now? E.g., maybe the Resource Owner becomes (dons a role of) a Licensor at a certain point in a contract, and a Requesting Party becomes a Licensee. Two of the parties listed above would be parties to the license/contract, and others are subsidiary. But we still need to complete our mapping work to understand the precise relationships of them all, wrt UMA. The Resource Owner is the one that has to hire/contract with the ASO, because it can't be someone who doesn't have legal capacity etc. Or even if the Data Subject contracted with some agent, say, an attorney, to take care of financial business or whatever for them, then that Resource Owner really does function as their delegated agent and contracts with the ASO on their behalf. Of course, just as in Google Docs, the agent might need to "transfer ownership" of resources back to the data subject at some point – and the IRM group's design guidelines include just such actions! Delegable, Transferable, etc. This justifies our "indenting" the Data Subject role; it's "offline" wrt UMA, and our model. *Eve Maler*Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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Reminder: We are on for the Legal call tomorrow (Friday)
by Eve Maler 29 Jun '17

29 Jun '17

Tim will be leading the discussion. Eve (sent from my iPhone, possibly with Siri's "help": +1-425-345-6756)

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Draft minutes of UMA telecon 2017-06-29
by Eve Maler 29 Jun '17

29 Jun '17

http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2017-06-29 MinutesRoll call Quorum was reached. Approve minutes Approve minutes of UMA telecon 2017-05-25 <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2017-05-25>, UMA telecon 2017-06-15 <http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/uma/UMA+telecon+2017-06-15>: APPROVED. Public Comment period Public Comment/IPR Review period concludes on July 12 – please report any comments you have during this period. Do we have any other comments coming from the "outside" through the officially published channel? Colin reports that no such comments have been received. An email reminder was sent out a few days ago, and more are coming. Eve will start a social media campaign from the UMAWG handle today, through July 12. Please RT etc. CIS trip report Eve, Colin, Maciej, Mike, Justin, and others were there. The "Authorization: Age of UMA" approach communicated the Alice-to-Bob (Tony-to-Pepper) approach really thoroughly and seemed to have the right light touch that late in the conference. Maciej could testify that his wife, who was present, finally understood UMA for the first time after eight years! There were ways it didn't go into as much depth. But "CIS Twitter" did seem to appreciate it as a teaching device. Colin notes that Kantara overall ended up having a "community area" near its booth, with ID.me, Gluu, etc. The pre-conference workshop went well. A very "agile" no-screenscraping pledge effort <https://kantarainitiative.org/psd2statement/> was put together; don't forget to go and sign up! IDpro.org <https://idpro.org/> is spreading its wings. Eve notes the Women in Identity effort and the corresponding #ZZAuth song. [image: (smile)] At CIS, Eve made announcements about interest in interop testing and asked for people to contact her with interest in providing funding and other resources. UMA 2.0 work #332: Justin's article <https://medium.com/@justinsecurity/uma-2-0-437c293c3283> says succinctly: "If the authorization server chooses, the claims represented by the PCT can fulfill the policies set by the resource owner." But the closest we get in actually saying this directly, after building up a story in bits and bites, is in Grant Sec 3.3.4 in a Note where we say "Note: Claims and other information gathered during one authorization process may become out of date in terms of their relevance for future authorization processes. The authorization server is responsible for managing such relevance wherever information associated with a PCT, or other persistently stored information, is used as input to authorization, including policy conditions themselves." Can't we do better, from the beginning definition and throughout? It's not enough to say "optimizing" in the beginning without saying what that means and how it's accomplished. Mike notes that in Sec 3.3.3, "Such persisted claims will be represented by a PCT issued to the client in a subsequent step", the "will" part isn't strictly true if the client doesn't provide the PCT in the request. There are a few challenges: The PCT discussion is spread out, and it's too oblique. Mike notes that the example of redirect_user with a custom URI with a query parameter was helpful, and suggests extending the normative language describing it in Grant Sec 3.3.6 would be good. E.g.: "Providing a value in this response might be appropriate, for example, if the URI needs to be customized per requesting party *with a query parameter*." *AI:* Eve: Add issue; look up the URI/reference/etc language to get this right. Leadership team elections MOTION: Re-elect Eve Maler as WG chair for an annual term, Maciej Machulak as WG vice-chair for an annual term, Domenico Catalano as Graphics and User Experience Editor for an indefinite term, and Maciej Machulak as Implementations Coordinator for an indefinite term. APPROVED by unanimous consent. Meeting schedule and preparing for All-Member Ballot Let's not meet on July 6. Let's try to meet on July 12 and see if we can make quorum to approve our Recommendations, ideally already edited if we get no huge substantive/troubling comments, so they can proceed to the Leadership Council for approval on July 19 (or in an electron ballot) to proceed. Interop testing plans ForgeRock will ship a platform release with UMA2 support in approximately October. Gluu should ready by then too. We should reach out to the KeyCloak guys around then. Attendees As of 7 Mar 2017, quorum is 4 of 7. (Domenico, Sal, Andi, Maciej, Eve, Mike, Cigdem) 1. Domenico 2. Maciej 3. Eve 4. Mike Non-voting participants: - Colin - John W - Thomas - Robert Guests: - David Turner Regrets: - Cigdem - Andi *Eve Maler*Cell +1 425.345.6756 | Skype: xmlgrrl | Twitter: @xmlgrrl

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