October 2025 - WG-RIUP - mailman.kantarainitiative.org

impact of AI on inclusion and transparancy
by Tom Jones 12 Oct '25

12 Oct '25

I am on a Slack channel where I had the following interchange, which (IMHO) requires a rethink about what inclusion and transparency might be like in the coming year. The rise of AI-native apps—especially those powered by agentic models—does challenge the browser’s dominance as the primary interface for digital life. So - who is wrapping who here?But we have been here before - remember when Farmville was 12% of facebook's revenue? But what happened?The shift to mobile apps left FarmVille behind. It was built for desktop browsers and struggled to adapt to the new UX expectations. Competitors like Candy Crush and Clash of Clans dominated mobile attention.Burnout was another problem - too much of a good thing? When it isn't even a good thing? And it gets replaced by Candy Crush? Who thought that was an improvement?Is anybody out there using ChatGPT as their primary phone UI yet? 2 replies ------------------------------ *xxxxx* Today at 5:01 PM <https://kwaaiailab.slack.com/archives/C09EMJAJY7M/p1760140896861599?thread_…> I think lots of us have linked ChatGPT and Claude on our phone lock screens. Does that answer your question? (edited) tomj Just now <https://kwaaiailab.slack.com/archives/C09EMJAJY7M/p1760145229132309?thread_…> whoa - i didn't even think about that - so you accept that chat gpt is your primary notification channel? I guess you already think that is loyal to you? So the choice has already been made by some of you Peace ..tom jones

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Re: RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Oct 7, 2025 PM EDT (we meet the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month)
by Jorge Flores 09 Oct '25

09 Oct '25

Thanks Quinny for sparing some of your time to meet with the RIUP WG and for sharing this information. [cid:image001.png@01D9CC55.EB8049C0] Jorge Flores | Co-founder and CTO | https://www.entidad.io<https://www.entidad.io/> | Book time with me: 30 minutes meeting<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/0ecdfe2ced8e4bf9a3f895d60556df0c…> From: Quinny Sanchez Lopez <qs85(a)georgetown.edu> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2025 at 12:59 PM To: peace(a)acm.org <peace(a)acm.org> Cc: jim kragh <kragh65(a)gmail.com>, Noreen Whysel. Brett <nwhysel(a)gmail.com>, Jorge Flores <jorge(a)entidad.io>, Justin Byrd <justin(a)machi-systems.com>, Jeff Brennan <jeff_brennan(a)sbcglobal.net>, Salvatore D'Agostino <sal(a)idmachines.com>, Simone Alcorn <salcorn(a)easydynamics.com>, Thomas Sullivan <sullivant3(a)gmail.com>, Bev Corwin <bevcorwin(a)gmail.com>, Kay Chopard Cohen <kay(a)kantarainitiative.org>, Isha Chhatwal <ichhatwa(a)gmail.com>, wg-riup <wg-riup(a)kantarainitiative.org>, Debbie Bucci <debbucci(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Oct 7, 2025 PM EDT (we meet the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month) Hi all, Thank you for inviting me to attend your workgroup meeting this Tuesday! It was a pleasure meeting you and learning more about the projects you're working on. If you're interested in engaging with the Digital Benefits Network in the future or learning more about the status of Digital Identity in public benefits applications I encourage you to check out our work on our Digital Government Hub<https://digitalgovernmenthub.org/topics/digital-identity/>! A resource that might be particularly useful is our 2024 data set <https://digitalgovernmenthub.org/publications/2024-edition-account-creation…> documenting account creation and identity proofing requirements across online SNAP, WIC, TANF, Medicaid, child care (CCAP) applications, and unemployment insurance applications. I'll reach out to Noreen and Salvatore separately to set up some follow up convos. Wishing you all a great rest of your day! Quiny On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 1:11 AM Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones(a)gmail.com<mailto:thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>> wrote: Today's discussion about DPI and inclusion is now getting more traction like the following. Economic Value of DPI: A Focus on ID and Interoperability | Caribou<https://caribou.global/publications/economic-value-of-dpi-a-focus-on-id-and…> Peace ..tom jones On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 8:19 AM Quinny Sanchez Lopez <qs85(a)georgetown.edu<mailto:qs85@georgetown.edu>> wrote: Thanks for the invite Jim and Jorge! Looking forward to joining y'all today! Best, -- Quinny Sanchez Lopez (she/her/ella) Community Advisor, Digital Identity<https://www.digitalbenefitshub.org/digital-identity> and Rules as Code<https://digitalgovernmenthub.org/get-involved/digital-benefits-network-rule…> Digital Benefits Network<https://beeckcenter.georgetown.edu/projects/digital-benefits-network/> Let's book a time to chat!<https://calendar.app.google/TJDFqLnDEouZfCmo7> Beeck Center for Social Impact + Innovation Georgetown University View the Beeck Center's 2024 Impact Report<https://beeckcenter.georgetown.edu/report/2024-impact-report/> On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 5:27 PM jim kragh <kragh65(a)gmail.com<mailto:kragh65@gmail.com>> wrote: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd=PGdbMovUR6xo8K4MtmtCBRwdjwxls5.1<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd%3DPG…> Meeting ID: 850 7719 7313 Passcode: 000935 1) We will have a busy and informative meeting tomorrow. Tom would appreciate your timely online input today regarding the SDA (Subject Delegation of Authority) document below. This is Version 7 of the IK-RIUP-WG draft, dated 2025-09-02: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… 2) Several weeks ago Jorge introduced us to a research Project, Digital Doorways to Public Benefits, hosted by Georgetown University. with a Digital Benefits networking theme.. Joining us on our call tomorrow will be one of the Digital Identity network advisors, Quinny Lopez, and will share a little insight on the social impact and need for innovation. We will devote the first 20 or so minutes on 'digital Benefits' and then shift gears, and focus SDA document . Please review comments already posted and then share you valued input. 3) Heads up KI will be expanding its' GROUPS of of interests: New Kantara Groups - BIT, Biometrics, Shadow AI, and Trusted Transaction Have a nice evening, JIm .

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changes to subject Delegation of Authority completed
by Tom Jones 08 Oct '25

08 Oct '25

All of the changes agreed today are in the draft. Next up we need to focus on the use cases. - please comment on the draft. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… Peace ..tom jones

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Re: RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Oct 7, 2025 PM EDT (we meet the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month)
by Tom Jones 08 Oct '25

08 Oct '25

Today's discussion about DPI and inclusion is now getting more traction like the following. Economic Value of DPI: A Focus on ID and Interoperability | Caribou <https://caribou.global/publications/economic-value-of-dpi-a-focus-on-id-and…> Peace ..tom jones On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 8:19 AM Quinny Sanchez Lopez <qs85(a)georgetown.edu> wrote: > Thanks for the invite Jim and Jorge! > Looking forward to joining y'all today! > > Best, > > -- > > *Quinny Sanchez Lopez* (she/her/ella) > > Community Advisor, Digital Identity > <https://www.digitalbenefitshub.org/digital-identity> and Rules as Code > <https://digitalgovernmenthub.org/get-involved/digital-benefits-network-rule…> > > Digital Benefits Network > <https://beeckcenter.georgetown.edu/projects/digital-benefits-network/> > > Let's book a time to chat! <https://calendar.app.google/TJDFqLnDEouZfCmo7> > > > Beeck Center for Social Impact + Innovation > > Georgetown University > > View the Beeck Center's 2024 Impact Report > <https://beeckcenter.georgetown.edu/report/2024-impact-report/> > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 5:27 PM jim kragh <kragh65(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd=PGdbMovUR6xo8K4MtmtCBRwdjwxls5.1 >> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd%3DPG…> >> >> Meeting ID: 850 7719 7313 Passcode: 000935 >> 1) >> We will have a busy and informative meeting tomorrow. Tom would >> appreciate your timely *online* input *toda*y regarding the SDA (Subject >> Delegation of Authority) document below. >> This is Version 7 of the IK-RIUP-WG draft, dated 2025-09-02: >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… >> >> >> 2) Several weeks ago Jorge introduced us to a research Project, *Digital >> Doorways to Public Benefits, *hosted by Georgetown University. with a >> Digital Benefits networking theme.. Joining us on our call tomorrow will >> be one of the Digital Identity network advisors, Quinny Lopez, and will >> share a little insight on the social impact and need for innovation. >> >> >> We will devote the first 20 or so minutes on 'digital Benefits' and then >> shift gears, and focus SDA document . Please review comments already >> posted and then share you valued input. >> >> >> 3) Heads up KI will be expanding its' *GROUPS* of of interests: *New >> Kantara Groups - BIT, Biometrics, Shadow AI, and Trusted Transaction* >> >> >> Have a nice evening, >> >> >> JIm >> . >> >>

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RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Oct 7, 2025 PM EDT (we meet the 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month)
by jim kragh 06 Oct '25

06 Oct '25

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd=PGdbMovUR6xo8K4MtmtCBRwdjwxls5.1 <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd%3DPG…> Meeting ID: 850 7719 7313 Passcode: 000935 1) We will have a busy and informative meeting tomorrow. Tom would appreciate your timely *online* input *toda*y regarding the SDA (Subject Delegation of Authority) document below. This is Version 7 of the IK-RIUP-WG draft, dated 2025-09-02: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… 2) Several weeks ago Jorge introduced us to a research Project, *Digital Doorways to Public Benefits, *hosted by Georgetown University. with a Digital Benefits networking theme.. Joining us on our call tomorrow will be one of the Digital Identity network advisors, Quinny Lopez, and will share a little insight on the social impact and need for innovation. We will devote the first 20 or so minutes on 'digital Benefits' and then shift gears, and focus SDA document . Please review comments already posted and then share you valued input. 3) Heads up KI will be expanding its' *GROUPS* of of interests: *New Kantara Groups - BIT, Biometrics, Shadow AI, and Trusted Transaction* Have a nice evening, JIm .

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Call for Proposals: Special Issue on Digital Intersectionality and Marginalization in the Majority World | Journal of Online Trust and Safety
by Noreen Whysel 02 Oct '25

02 Oct '25

Might be an opportunity to describe our work in a Commentary. 2000-3000 words due Oct 31. https://tsjournal.org/index.php/jots/article/view/263 Noreen

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