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purpose consent query - next steps
by Tom Jones 31 May '25

31 May '25

Alec asked how we planned to get adoption of PCQ here is my proposal - please feel free to mark it up. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WncEIcVJTGdHcwz3SYVmN5PdLreaGiVW/edit?u… Peace ..tom jones

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ONC/CMS released a Request for Information last week reference related technical healthcare ecosystems systems
by jim kragh 20 May '25

20 May '25

(https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-08701.pdf <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2…>) This ONC/CMS RFI link includes 25+ pages of questions for stakeholders across the healthcare domaine, focusing on patients, physicians, an array of licenced medical professional, along with family and caregivers that seek better privacy and security functions to facilitate accessing, storing, sharing, managing and sharing their protected health information. Hope all are having a good day, Jim Kragh, Chair RIUP WG Kantara Initiative

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RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, May 20 @ 1 PM EDT
by jim kragh 20 May '25

20 May '25

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd=PGdbMovUR6xo8K4MtmtCBRwdjwxls5.1 <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd%3DPG…> Meeting ID: 850 7719 7313 Passcode: 000935 Good evening. *Justin* is first up on finalizing recommendations that Justin and Noreen have put forth and reviewed by our WG: May I suggest that you review his suggestions at this time, *and if you agree with Justin's change*s, respond to those copied on the email with an "*I accept **Justin's recommendations*" * or* " I accept all *but* (*define that you wish to modify or make recommendations to*). Your response is important; we need to document all voting activity in our WG minutes. I have asked Noreen to share her thoughts ref: SDA edits being put forth: *Link to revised draft w/ additional edits regarding the* Subject Delegation of Authority* [SDA]* document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… true&sd=true <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u…>. After an informative discussion, I hope we,as a WG, can accept and approve these changes and the SDA document itself. Have a nice evening, Jim

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ATTENTION: RIUP WG, your timely response to the linked SDA document is requested by this Friday.
by jim kragh 14 May '25

14 May '25

* ATTENTION RIUP WG: Timely response request!* Good evening. *I need your timely approval for recommended changes to the SDA document in order to push it over the WG acceptance guidelines to forward it to the LC.* Kantara's *L*eadership *C*ouncil meets before our Work Group meeting next week so I need your input ASAP to send them the SDA doc. The draft SDA was accepted last week with the exception of Justin's input due to an untimely family event. Back at his desk last Friday (May 9) he provided some meaningful comments which are noted in the attached document link. Your timely acceptance and or comments relating to Justin's input would be appreciated by this Friday, May 16, 2025 at midnight, pacific time. May I suggest that you review his suggestions at this time, *and if you agree with Justin's change*s, respond to those copied on the email with an "*I accept * *Justin's recommendations*" * or* " I accept all *but* (*define that you wish to modify or make recommendations to*). Your response is important; we need to document all voting activity in our WG minutes. *Link to draft w/ recommended edits: * *Subject D**elegation of Authority (SDA)* document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… *RIUP WG will meet next week, Tuesday, May 20, at 1 PM EDT * *Have a restful night, Jim *

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next steps for Inclusive Purpose Consent Query and ACM position
by Tom Jones 09 May '25

09 May '25

Do we have final feedback on the review? Remember that the line numbers are not correct in the reviewed document. Perhaps we should add this link to the report. https://www.acm.org/media-center/2025/may/techbrief-accessibility Peace ..tom jones

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Fwd: [Confluence] Noreen Whysel mentioned you in "2025-05-06 Meeting notes"
by Tom Jones 06 May '25

06 May '25

*NEW link to current doc on subject * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ih38iKetyOzDZr1u6o6RL6NI18wK64Ne/edit?u… I don't remember where to get the link to prison population use case - PLEASE ADD THAT INFORMATION Peace ..tom jones ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Noreen Whysel (Confluence) <noreply(a)kantarainitiative.org> Date: Tue, May 6, 2025 at 10:36 AM Subject: [Confluence] Noreen Whysel mentioned you in "2025-05-06 Meeting notes" To: Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones(a)gmail.com> [image: Confluence Icon] <https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence> You were *mentioned* in a *page* by [image: Avatar] Noreen Whysel <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/people/5d5f436f17bc890d28ef6291?atlOrigi…> [image: Image of the page icon] 2025-05-06 Meeting notes <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> WG - RIUP <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP?atlOrigin=eyJpIjoiZWFiYzM0Zm…> • Owned by Noreen Whysel <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/people/5d5f436f17bc890d28ef6291?atlOrigi…> View page <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> ... - ... - @Jim Kragh - @Tom Jones ... \uD83D\uDDE3 Discussion topics Time Item Presenter Notes 1:00pmEDT Subject Delegation of Authority @Tom Jones From Tom a few days ago: Revised SDA (Subject Delegation of Authority): would appreciate getting feedback on delegation, particularly use cases, before Tuesday's meeting. In line or separately as you wish. (Need WG acceptance so we can advance this to the LC, hopefully for their meeting next week. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit?u… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit?u…> Noreen has responded and I spoke with Tom yesterday, on several items and the need for 'use cases'. I read that Microsoft was going to release a new program that will be' passwordless,' relying more on biometrics, patterns and defined unique graphics with signing motions or something to that effect. I think such would be a great test for underserved populations who are credentialed via medicaid and or a local government authority, -- RIUP Charter @Justin Byrd from Justin: We’d like to wrap this up for a final vote at our next meeting, so your input would be most valuable. Please take a moment to review the updated draft here: https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/edit-v2/840138753 <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/edit-v2/840138753> The content changes are marked in red. I believe all TK (to come) items have been resolved. I also reworked the addendum section to improve its structure—this is the most significantly updated part of the draft. The rest of the document includes general updates and light cleanup. We will be voting on the RIUP charter changes next time. Justin was not able to attend. ... 👍 <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> ❤️ <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> 🔥 <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> [image: add a reaction] Add reaction <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> View page <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/999849989/2025-05-06+M…> [image: Bell Icon] Get notifications and comment on the go. Download Confluence Cloud for iOS <https://atlassian.app.link/e/MobileEmailBadges> or Android <https://atlassian.app.link/e/MobileEmailBadges>. Update your email settings <https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/users/viewmyemailsettings.action?atlOrig…> to customize or stop receiving this email. This email was sent by Atlassian Confluence • Privacy policy <https://www.atlassian.com/legal/privacy-policy>

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RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, May 6 @ 1 PM EDT
by jim kragh 06 May '25

06 May '25

https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd=PGdbMovUR6xo8K4MtmtCBRwdjwxls5.1 <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://us06web.zoom.us/j/85077197313?pwd%3DPG…> Meeting ID: 850 7719 7313 Passcode: 000935 Please, if you have not responded to Justin and or Tom's request for comments (below), do so this evening: * from Justin:* We’d like to wrap this up for a final vote at our next meeting, so your input would be most valuable. Please take a moment to review the updated draft here: https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/edit-v2/840138753 The content changes are marked in red. I believe all TK (to come) items have been resolved. I also reworked the addendum section to improve its structure—this is the most significantly updated part of the draft. The rest of the document includes general updates and light cleanup. From Tom a few days ago: revised SDA (Subject Delegation of Authority): would appreciate getting feedback on delegation, particularly use cases, before Tuesday's meeting. In line or separately as you wish. (Need WG acceptance so we can advance this to the LC, hopefully for their meeting next week. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit?u… Noreen has responded and I spoke with Tom yesterday, on several items and the need for 'use cases'. I read that Microsoft was going to release a new program that will be' passwordless,' relying more on biometrics, patterns and defined unique graphics with signing motions or something to that effect. I think such would be a great test for underserved populations who are credentialed via medicaid and or a local government authority, We will be voting tomorrow on the RIUP charter changes that Justin and Noreen have put for so please join the call at 1 PM EDT tomorrow. have a restful evening, Jim

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subject delegation authority
by Tom Jones 03 May '25

03 May '25

would appreciate getting feedback on delegation, particularly use cases, before tuesday meeting. In line or separately as you wish. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGJkFPUuHtj_hFJsOrEQ7qHxTfBocPmN/edit?u… Peace ..tom jones

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RIUP - Final Charter Review Before Vote
by Justin Byrd 23 Apr '25

23 Apr '25

Howdy folks, We’d like to wrap this up for a final vote at our next meeting, so your input would be most valuable. Please take a moment to review the updated draft here: https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/RIUP/pages/edit-v2/840138753 The content changes are marked in red. I believe all TK (to come) items have been resolved. I also reworked the addendum section to improve its structure—this is the most significantly updated part of the draft. The rest of the document includes general updates and light cleanup. Please: * Review the overall changes * Focus especially on the addendum, as we haven’t covered it yet Thanks in advance for your time and input. Warmly, -J --- Justin Byrd (He, Him) PARTNER / PROJECT-LEAD E: justin(a)machi-systems.com<mailto:justin@machi-systems.com> P: 570-820-2060 M: Book a call with me!<https://meetings.machi-systems.com/justin> Machi-Systems, LLC. Scranton Life Building 538 Biden St, Suite 528 Scranton, PA 18503 machi-systems.com<https://machi-systems.com/> | [Logo for the Machi-Systems, LLC. Black text set on transparent background reads, “Machi (Dash) Systems.” Stylized blue “m” at the beginning of the word machi] -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scope Agreement: We will consider this issue resolved when we are able to answer your query, or we will inform you if the issue will be out of scope. This message (including any attachments) may contain CONFIDENTIAL information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.

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what's next. what's needed. my personal view.
by Tom Jones 16 Apr '25

16 Apr '25

Reality exists solely in the eye of the beholder. Both the visionary and the madman can see wonderful buildings rising to the sky. The US, Europe and other communities can see a future with humans enabled by mobile technology. In my view I see my choice controlling my destiny. The start-up in the US sees wonderful opportunities to build a company. The European bureaucrat sees Brussels dictating opportunities for state level control of our choices. The dictatorial regime sees state level control of their populations. None of these views will be fully realized as the reality will be guided by these 4 among many other visions. I didn't even list the existing companies that each have visions incompatible with all the others. Is it possible that each person can pick their own solution? The dictators don't think that is wise. The merchants and access control gateways can only accommodate a few options. But it is these gateways that will be the ones to determine the user's choices. The only gateway I see involved today is the US TSA for airport access. The other obvious one is the customs control point which is pretty happy with the passport solution. What's the next obvious control point, the medical community or the merchant? Perhaps if we focus on those two we will have a chance at a good solution for all. Peace ..tom jones

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