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some evidence that social inclusion is gaining some traction
by Tom Jones 21 Mar '24

21 Mar '24

G7 committed to DPI for socio-economic transformation, OECD’s digital ID governance | Biometric Update <https://www.biometricupdate.com/202403/g7-committed-to-dpi-for-socio-econom…> https://www.biometricupdate.com/202403/g7-committed-to-dpi-for-socio-econom… ..tom

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updated purpose consent query
by Tom Jones 20 Mar '24

20 Mar '24

I have updated PCQ doc from yesterday's meeting and added the response name value pairs as requested. Noreen: Could you put this link into the mins? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n7HobJ6QTsNld5rn1uuIiNw0A__L44ug/edit?u… Any additional suggestions are welcome - comments should be made directly in the doc. ..tom

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ISO liaison
by Salvatore D'Agostino 19 Mar '24

19 Mar '24

In speaking to Jim he asked that I forward the link for the ISO liaison. This allows review of the document for Kantara and WG contributions and comments to specific ISO WG and specification drafts. BoT - Liaison Sub Committee (PRIVATE) - Kantara Initiative (atlassian.net)<https://kantara.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/lsc/overview>

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RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, March 19, 2024 at 1 PM EDT
by jim kragh 19 Mar '24

19 Mar '24

*RIUP's 1st/3rd Tuesday Meeting Link:* https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87499194761?pwd=cmhDTHBXV2VTbFBMZzllMlZVbnFoZz09 Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 *Passcode: 837815* Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 Passcode: 837815 Our program tomorrow will be in two parts; first Justin (Vice Chair) will brief us on the rework of our WG;s DII document. We'll be distributing tomorrow (mid-morning) an outline for a brief discussion on the path Justin is considering and will be seeking your input. Based on comments shared tomorrow we are planning to have a revised draft at our next meeting; so please attend. Equally important will be a sister DII discussion (lead-tom J) relating to comments shared about adding name-value pairs following the follow proposal set forth in the following link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16GY-xcVzak4msZ7COn2u-E1iect8W3sw/edit?u… May all have a restful evening, Jim.

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Sad news from the Florida state legislature
by Jorge Flores 15 Mar '24

15 Mar '24

https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/florida-legislature-doesnt-care-h… https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/08/florida-bill-extreme-heat-w… [A screenshot of a cellphone Description automatically generated] [signature_1066411671] Jorge Flores | Co-founder and CTO | Email: jorge(a)entidad.io | https://www.entidad.io<https://www.entidad.io/>

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wallet article
by Salvatore D'Agostino 14 Mar '24

14 Mar '24

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RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, March 5, 1 PM ET; Topic: another candidate for a project: Human Trafficking-Samaritan Village.net
by jim kragh 05 Mar '24

05 Mar '24

*RIUP's 1st/3rd Tuesday Meeting Link:* https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87499194761?pwd=cmhDTHBXV2VTbFBMZzllMlZVbnFoZz09 Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 *Passcode: 837815* Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 Passcode: 837815 Agenda: comments regarding the Samaritan Village/human trafficking RIUP Use Case document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-amM1fVtVKEILrXFbLBnVZ9S_BfpZW3s/edit#h… Kantara Template for documents to be published Other comments/announcements: i.e. CSF 2.0 Have a restful night, JIm

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Why New York’s Plan to Give Migrants Debit Cards Came Under Fire - The New York Times
by Noreen Whysel 24 Feb '24

24 Feb '24

I know Wole, the founder of the company, MoCaFi, that was selected to provide debit cards to migrants in NYC. The pilot program provides $12 per day, in lieu of directly providing fresh food which had been underutilized, so a lot of the food spoiled. The debit card program requires recipients to be staying at one of the program’s hotels and that they have children. They also have to sign a pledge that they will only use it for food and baby supplies. It’s one of those “nanny” policies that is fairly common in NYC programs. It can only be used at grocery stores, greenmarkets and bodegas. I thought maybe it was a concession to the right, but there is a lot of disinformation about it anyway. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/23/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-adams.html Noreen

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RIUP WG meeting tomorrow, Feb 20, at 1 PM ET Status of Kantara publication document template?
by jim kragh 20 Feb '24

20 Feb '24

*RIUP's 1st/3rd Tuesday Meeting Link:* https://us06web.zoom.us/j/87499194761?pwd=cmhDTHBXV2VTbFBMZzllMlZVbnFoZz09 Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 *Passcode: 837815* Dial by your location +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) Meeting ID: 874 9919 4761 Passcode: 837815 You might recall last week that Noreen sent our WG this message with a link (below) to the *Vinton Cerf* article *Validating Factual Personal Information. In addition to this article, Noreen, Jorge and Tom *shared some* FNO* (first name only) thoughts and comments and Tom followed that with a bit of text in the link below. *Side note*: I am hopeful my dentist will see me tomorrow PM, thanks to a chipped tooth, I would be dropping off the call and Justin, Vice Chair, would be carry the discussion forward with Noreen and Tom. May all have a restful night, Jim *From Noreen*:Vint Cerf seems to be hinting toward the process we are working on in PEMC, MAAS and RIUP, only he doesn’t mention “mobile” or “wallet”. It seems like what he is describing for the most part already exists. But duplicates the problem of storing data in a browser or at the verifier. He does mention a registry several times. https://m-cacm.acm.org/magazines/2024/2/279540-validating-factual-personal-… The Naming of People ( tried to capture the issue here - our industry is making the problem worse. ..tom) Innovation has applied to Identifiers <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Identifier> applied to people. In Roman times, the family name (gens) was important, in Ancient Israel it was the tribal association. In western land the patronym became common. In Spain the matronym as added after the patronym. The Picts of Scotland used just the matronym. Confusion was crated when the location of these surnames turned out to very different in different part of the world. In 2024 we are still trying to reconcile these traditions with technology. 1. Dissolution of Monasteries: Henry VIII dissolved numerous monasteries and convents as part of the English Reformation. These religious institutions had often been centers of education, record-keeping, and administration. With their dissolution, many records were lost, including those containing information about lineage and family names. 2. Land Ownership and Taxation: As part of his reforms, Henry implemented a system of land ownership and taxation. To efficiently collect taxes and administer land, it became essential to have clear identification of individuals. Surnames played a crucial role in this process. 3. Formation of Parish Registers: The dissolution of monasteries also led to the establishment of parish registers. These registers recorded baptisms, marriages, and burials within parishes. Surnames were used to distinguish individuals, especially in densely populated areas. 4. Standardization and Legal Documentation: Henry’s government emphasized the need for standardized legal documentation. Surnames facilitated legal transactions, inheritance, and property rights. People began adopting fixed family names, which were passed down through generations. 5. Social Mobility and Identity: The use of surnames allowed for greater social mobility. Individuals could establish their identity beyond their occupation or location. It also provided a sense of belonging and lineage While Henry VIII didn’t explicitly demand the use of surnames, his policies indirectly encouraged their adoption. The dissolution of monasteries, administrative reforms, and the need for clear identification all contributed to the widespread use of surnames in England. Technology Unfortunately technology is created mostly in European-originated countries so we have absurdities like the following which mixes the idea of Surname (a logical type) with Firstname (a position type). Clearly this is an absurdity brought about by chauvinistic attitudes by developers.[1] <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Innovation#cite_note-1> "familyName": "Castafiori", "firstName": "Bianca", Be well! J

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that naming of people
by Tom Jones 20 Feb '24

20 Feb '24

I found the *BIT* document to be horribly US centric. Here is a comment i shared with others on names - Perhaps we should take that up? The Naming of People Innovation is impacting Identifiers applied to people. In Roman times, the family name (gens) was important, in Ancient Israel it was the tribal association. In western land the patronym became common. In Spain the matronym is added after the patronym. The Picts of Scotland used just the matronym. Confusion was created when the location of these surnames turned out to be very different in different parts of the world. In 2024 we are still trying to reconcile these traditions with technology. 1. Dissolution of Monasteries: Henry VIII dissolved numerous monasteries and convents as part of the English Reformation. These religious institutions had often been centers of education, record-keeping, and administration. With their dissolution, many records were lost, including those containing information about lineage and family names. 2. Land Ownership and Taxation: As part of his reforms, Henry implemented a system of land ownership and taxation. To efficiently collect taxes and administer land, it became essential to have clear identification of individuals. Surnames played a crucial role in this process. 3. Formation of Parish Registers: The dissolution of monasteries also led to the establishment of parish registers. These registers recorded baptisms, marriages, and burials within parishes. Surnames were used to distinguish individuals, especially in densely populated areas. 4. Standardization and Legal Documentation: Henry’s government emphasized the need for standardized legal documentation. Surnames facilitated legal transactions, inheritance, and property rights. People began adopting fixed family names, which were passed down through generations. 5. Social Mobility and Identity: The use of surnames allowed for greater social mobility. Individuals could establish their identity beyond their occupation or location. It also provided a sense of belonging and lineage While Henry VIII didn’t explicitly demand the use of surnames, his policies indirectly encouraged their adoption. The dissolution of monasteries, administrative reforms, and the need for clear identification all contributed to the widespread use of surnames in England. And in China where the surname is the first name: 1. Chinese mythology traces the establishment of surnames back to the legendary figure Fuxi (with the surname Feng). Fuxi is said to have introduced surnames to distinguish different families and prevent marriages between people with the same family names. 2. Prior to the Warring States period (around the fifth century BC), only ruling families and the aristocratic elite possessed surnames. 3. These surnames are exclusively patronyms. Women typically do not change their surnames upon marriage, except in places with more Western influences. Meanwhile western countries are either combining patronyms and matronyms or following the Chinese tradition of allowing women to keep their surname after marriage. Technology Unfortunately technology is created mostly in European-originated countries so we have absurdities like the following which mixes the idea of Surname (a logical type) with Firstname (a position type). Clearly this is an absurdity brought about by chauvinistic attitudes of developers.[1] <https://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=Innovation#cite_note-1> "familyName": "Castafiori", "firstName": "Bianca", - Draft Model Law on the Use and Cross-border Recognition of Identity Management and Trust Services <https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/v22/009/38/pdf/v2200938.pdf?token=2S…> goes into some detail on named trust registries. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-readable_passports <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine-readable_passport> have varying name fields based on the available space in the electronic readable part. It is known as Surname followed by Given Names (abbreviated if necessary). It is not clear if either the surname or the given names are actually lists (or includes spaces). - It might be instructive to look at a passport from Spain to see how they accommodate matronyms. - ..tom

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